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I don't agree with changing leagues if possible.

only one wins and goes up while the others stay and work for the next season, it's the law of sport and i'm very surprised that people do not accept it. why should losers get the same result of the winner?
other consequences of the relegation/promotion rule in Utopia is that changing half of a league's teams every season will bring to less balanced championships, that a manager who wants to do a good season but doesn't want promotion must be careful to lose enough matches in order to avoid it and, last but not least, it becomes impossible for managers to know each other and become friends and rivals, knowing the opponent's players and so on.
Imho what get lost is very much more than what is got, when you get promoted without looking for it you are forced to change your project, you risk to be relegated immediately from the upper division losing a lot of money for 2 seasons cause the fans will soon abandon you if you stay in the bottom and the following season they will punish your relegation.

I'm completely in favour of this rule. And yeah swapping teams is useful to prevent leagues of 16 tankatons teams. Besides, I can't believe someone would try not to promote on purpose. If you can win a league while trying to lose, surely you should be able to compete at the next level with the same team...

I can't believe someone would try not to promote on purpose

Well actually I am not trying to win this season and am trying to possible build a homegrown hall of fame squad.That's just one of my goals. I am setting my prices really cheap to try to sell tickets and don't expect to win. I have currently 6 players and am keeping all 3 draftees this season good or bad. Tanking is a strategy even though fans dont like to see them lose we all can't win them all every single year no matter how hard we try. Plus the ability to become familar with opponet and rivalry is a good thing just like in real life.

Read the previous comments, I obviously meant I can't believe that someone with a team which is good enough to promote would willingly try to lose games.

Besides tanking is for 'ladies'. I'd rather quit the game than take the easy way. Anybody can tank and make millions: you need no skill, no brain and no brawns for that.

Besides tanking is for 'ladies'

I haven't tank at alll for my first team. While trying to build a hall of fame squad much harder if you do it homegrown. You have any idea if I get a team full of homegrown hall of famers how much money that will make me?

Anybody can tank and make millions

Well if anybody can do it wont that take the fun of competing and the game itself. Not anybody can do it the one who wants to take time out from his team and focus on training and building his squad for the future knowing its a long term process and money is going to suffer for idk how long. But in the end if you get 1st round draft picks number 1 every so often it will eventually come to glamour.

no skill, no brain and no brawns for that.

You do have to have some skill to tank and keep minutes up each week while you train your team for the future right? No brain? Man its harder to tank without throwing your games for the number 1 pick than it is just to win games. Your suffering a loss each time you tank attendence goes down tremendously your profit suffers. But the plus side of it is that you get really good player 1/3 dtaft choice as I have had so far.

Well if anybody can do it wont that take the fun of competing and the game itself. Not anybody can do it the one who wants to take time out from his team and focus on training and building his squad for the future knowing its a long term process and money is going to suffer for idk how long.

You are seriously arguing that fielding a team below the salary floor requires any skill?

But in the end if you get 1st round draft picks number 1 every so often it will eventually come to glamour.

Dude you have you ever done any draft scouting in your BB career? I don't think so. There are entire drafts with 0 (ZERO) players with potential of 9 or more. So even if you do get 56 scouting points per season, even if you used them perfectly and you luck out in identifying the best prospects, it's entirely possible that you will end up with subpar draftees.

You do have to have some skill to tank and keep minutes up each week while you train your team for the future right? No brain?

Tanking by definition does not involve winning. If you don't plan to win then you don't really need to manage anything. Anybody can tank: you could sell or fire most of your players and you'd be perfectly set to tank.

Good luck with your project.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/08/2015 18:01:48

a long term strategy must consider possible promotions or relegations, i don't agree that if you win a league your team is already to compete in the upper level. you have to spend money to do that and sometimes this isn't enough to not stay in the bottom that means 1 season and half of bad attendance, for that reason i think promotion is something to plan carefully and repechages interfere with this.
but what worries me more is that losers get same result of the winner and i find this is a little unfair.

that means 1 season and half of bad attendance

you guys keep repeating this, but it's widely known that your revenues are extremely high after a promotion, even if you were to tank.
Bottom line if you have the chance, promote. Even by doing nothing at all you will make a ton of money the following season.

The only cases where you might want to plan are:
- your arena is so small that you will sell out bleachers and lower tier at maximum price
- you're promotinh into D1. The difference there is quite large and you might not be able to promote back that easily if you demote

losers get same result of the winner and i find this is a little unfair

They don't. I haven't checked the last 2 results but none of the losers in the Finals should promote at all in D3 Utopia this season. You only promote without winning the Finals if you won your conference and you had a very good record (18-4, 19-3 and better).

Even then those who promote via bot promotion will receive a much smaller promotion bonus to ticket sales the following season, so it's not the same at all.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 11/09/2015 07:16:28