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I understand the defense just fine. SB on bigs makes it go but you also have to have the players to run it, which, without giving away too much roster info, we haven’t had an over abundance of.

You attack me in your speech for lack of results at Worlds. Besides those being explained in my post and in the podcast, I find it interesting that I don’t see similar words from you regarding your countryman gpolin who is running for re-election. It is true that France won more games than us and missed the SFs on PD, but it seems odd that your country missed the cutoff, partly due to our loss to China in a match we used for experimenting, and now you’re here.

The long and the short of it is our NT community is still recovering from the last time a foreign manager came in with superior knowledge and crumbled the system. I have confidence in not only my knowledge, but the expertise of those involved. I don’t have any games to play in the forums, but when elected I will continue the regrowth of our community.

I will probably introduce a game around NT on the BB forums too.

I was referencing this from your speech, clearly not calling the debate thread a game.

And I got 25 votes to lose the USA U21 election in S44. Doesn’t matter. You also lost to Orko in S45 30-4 as the only other candidate in a two horse race. Also doesn’t matter.

I've got some legit questions for not only the candidates, but also the community.

1) Khenry and Teemo (in his own ways) are more than qualified to be NT manager. In fact, in my honest opinion, with help from the group of managers we have in the NT community I think anyone could really do it. My question though is what will you do to continue the progress that has been started? As a background, the NT community was at an all time high in seasons 18-26ish. After Magiker there was a drop-off. It got to the point where there was absolutely nobody to help with NT when I took over as manager. I failed at engaging the community, as much as I hate to say it. There started to be a little momentum in the NT community again and then Sahand took over and we tanked again. Khenry is now coach and the NT community has been the most active that it's been in awhile.

So, with all of that said, how to we continue to engage the NT community and build upon what has been started? And Teemo, how do you plan to take what Khenry has started and take us from point A to point B?

2) There has been a lot of discussion about SB. The belief is that it's not useful at U21 level but can be at NT level. The argument is that it hasn't been tested at U21 level, but yet there is a lot of push back towards actually testing it. Right or wrong, the thinking is that for U21 level offense is more important so that everyone can carry the load. Do you think it's the same for the NT? How might you see SBers fit into th NT?

3) Similar to SB, there's a belief that 2-3 zone is useless. I'd like to hear your opinions on 2-3 and if it's viable or not? What player types might be useful in a 2-3?

4) TSP is huge at the NT level. We see a lot of foreign NTs have guys with high TSP. SFs playing guard and even some PGs that are able to play SF or PF in an outside offense. With that being said though could you see a niche for guys that are pure guard or pure big with minimal secondaries?

5) We have seen a lot of NT bigs with large salaries. A lot of people in the community fear the large salaries and would rather commit to making high TSP builds but lower salaries. Do you have an argument for players who may have larger salaries? (Obviously these players usually have very high inside or outside skills).

6) What's your feeling about REB? A lot of people hate REB on guards because of the salary increase.

3/ I have tested 2-3 zones several times (one full season using it with my utopia team in season 35 with SB specialists as PG and SG positions) and I think that this tactic is flawed somehow. It can work (versus inside offense) but only 2 or 3 out of 10 games, which is not enough. I can only remember one Euro final where it worked : (33956) So it is definitely a tactic I won't use at the NT level.

I will just add that I just went through an entire NBBA season never giving up 100 points, running exclusively 3-2 or 1-3-1, and I had a lot of SB. A couple seasons back I ran a 2-3 in a PL final against a team of not NBBA caliber and gave up well over 100. It was a limited sample but it's another point to add to yours - essentially, that SB isn't what's broken about 2-3, it's that the zone itself is too flawed.

I also don't know how you can compare me to Sahand

OoOoooh, that was a low blow! If this was a boxing match I’d almost certainly give Khenry a red card and he’d be forced to take a shower with your local rugby team whether he liked it, or not.

In your defense, you’re cousin is a total babe!

a 2-3 zone from every bit of testing i did was a tactic that simply didn't work as intended and until the day (if the day occurs) that it gets a tweak, there really isn't much reason for NT or u21 to consider running it.

maybe someone out there has some way of utilizing it that i haven't seen, but i just smh when it is run for the most part.

also, are tools broke or am i just not allowed into them? Not that i have much interest in this game at this point, but would be sad if they are dead again.

Last edited by FurY at 08/17/2019 16:20:42