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65696.1
Date: 12/25/2008 00:06:25
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*BuzzerBeater.com Simulation Prediction *
Boston Celtics @ Los Angeles Lakers December 25, 2008
BOS 90 – LAL 94
By Forrest Collman and Charles Steinhardt

This will be the fourth article in a series of articles in which we attempt to use Buzzerbeater.com's advanced game engine to predict the results of a real NBA game. First a brief review of how our last prediction fared. We predicted a San Antonio win, 102-82, although we also thought the result might be closer to 102-87 given how San Antonio tends to underperform defensively early in the season. The actual final score was 107-97.

For San Antonio, we thought Tony Parker would have a big night and he did (25 points, 10 assists, 8 boards). We thought Duncan would score just under 20 points, with solid rebounding numbers. He ended up with 19 points and 7 boards. For the Raptors we pegged Jose Calderon as the likely high scorer. Calderon ended up with 16 points on 7-12 shooting, which leaves one wondering why he didn’t shoot more. Jermaine O’Neal was actually the top scorer, with 24 points on 12-20 shooting. We did not anticipate him taking this many shots. There are some rumors Toronto is interested in increasing his trade value and thus might be featuring him more offensively. We thought Bosh would score well under his average of 23 and he ended up with 17 on 6-14 shooting. We also thought the rebounding edge would favor San Antonio heavily, by an average of 10 boards. This turned out to be right on as the Spurs outworked the Raptors on the boards by a 48-38 margin. So in summary, we got many things correct, though certainly not everything.

For tonight’s matchup we tackle the classic rivalry between the Boston Celtics and the Los Angeles Lakers. This is an exciting game for us to cover for a number of reasons. First because we grew up watching Larry Bird battle Magic Johnson and listening to chants of BEAT LA! Second, Boston is a team that our standard set of assumptions does not seem to work well with, even though these same assumptions capture the basic team dynamics of most teams. In particular, our standard model fails to predict the correct scoring distribution for Boston as a team. In the standard model Ray Allen averages 27, Garnett 20, Pierce 11 and Rondo 19, when in reality the numbers are 19, 16, 18, and 12 respectively. The interpretation is that our standard coaching model believes that Ray Allen and Rondo are the best shooters on the team and should be taking more shots, where as Pierce and many of the substitutes shoot worse from the field and should therefore limit their shots.

This difference between our model and reality reflects that Boston’s offensive philosophy is very different from most teams. They look to pass first and so tend to more evenly distribute their shots amongst the players on the floor. If you look at shot attempts per 48 minutes played, the stars for Boston (Allen, Pierce, Garnett) average 18 shot attempts each. On the other hand, role players like Eddie House, Leon Powe and Tony Allen average 16 shot attempts each. In comparison, Bryant alone averages 29 shots per 48 minutes for LA and role players like Sasha Vujacic, Lamar Odom and Derek Fisher average 14 shots each.

We can retune our model to more closely match the distribution of shots Boston displays in reality, so we thought it natural to ask whether Boston performed better or worse when they distributed their shots more evenly.

Simulating the Christmas day matchup in Los Angeles with our standard model led to a 97-82 victory, with 30+ nights for Kobe Bryant and Ray Allen likely, and LA winning 90% of the time. Pierce and Garnett finished in the mid-teens, and there was little consistent pattern to Los Angeles’s supporting role in scoring.

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65696.2 in reply to 65696.1
Date: 12/25/2008 00:06:54
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Altering our model to more closely match the shot attempt distribution for the Celtics result in a much closer matchup, with LA finishing on top by an average of 94-90, winning just 61% of the time. We believe this more accurately reflects what is likely to happen, and suggests that maybe the Celtics know better than our virtual coach how to utilize their team best. Not surprisingly we predict Kobe leads the way for the Lakers, as he has in 24 out of 28 games this season. In fact he scores more than 30 points 63% of the time. We expect the rest of the Laker scoring to be spread around. If fact the probability of no other Laker scoring more than 18 points is 70%.

For the Celtics, Ray Allen is most likely to have a breakout game, scoring more than 20 points, 67% of the time. Paul Pierce will likely have an average game, scoring in the upper teens. Kevin Garnett is likely to have trouble scoring against the large Laker interior, scoring less than 15 points 75% of the time. Derek Fisher will keep Rondo from scoring a lot of points, but he’s likely to play a pivotal setup role, handing out 7 or more assists 62% of the time.

This really is a close matchup, so the Celtics don’t have to do much to push it over the top and no single factor sticks out when looking at Celtic victories. They rebound a little better, they shoot a little better, Kobe scores a little less, Ray Allen a little more and so on. So the advice from the virtual coach is simply to go out and play hard!

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65696.3 in reply to 65696.2
Date: 12/25/2008 02:02:08
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I don´t like Celtics nor Lakers, but GO LA hehe!!! XD

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65696.4 in reply to 65696.3
Date: 12/25/2008 09:52:11
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we cant see it?

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65696.5 in reply to 65696.4
Date: 12/25/2008 13:25:58
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(http://www.buzzerbeater.com/BBWeb/reportmatch.aspx?matchI...)

sorry about that..here is the example game

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65696.6 in reply to 65696.2
Date: 12/25/2008 18:35:35
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the game is going on now. hope you are right, haha go lakers!

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65696.7 in reply to 65696.6
Date: 12/26/2008 06:33:21
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Good prediction that La lakers won :) Haven't gone through the rest of the stats, but i'll check that later ;)

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65696.8 in reply to 65696.1
Date: 12/26/2008 14:01:17
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Very nice again.


May i see the Kobe`s skill ? please.

Who cares?!
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65696.10 in reply to 65696.9
Date: 12/27/2008 22:05:35
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at the moment i have not made any modulations of form, effort, or tactics... i am planning on setting up fined tuned tactics which use real nba shot distributions to distribute shot types inside and outside etc...

form i dont know how i would measure statistically so it would just be by the seat of my pants. Maybe I will do something that will look into back to back games and modulate form down for those and up for longer rest... but first I'd like to see whether i can measure that this is a real effect in the nba.

effort I dont know if i could justify setting higher or lower for either team.

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65696.11 in reply to 65696.10
Date: 12/28/2008 10:38:29
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form in sim = 3 or 4 past games for the player and % of shoot (for example: 1st game=7/8 ; 2nd game=3/6 ; 3rd game=6/9 } = 16/23 = strong form for example

i think the form its only reduces or increments the attack power, i dont think its necesary to reduce the other skilss the player have..

its just an opinion.