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@VPO:
You still don't have a match link in your box score post, even though Final match is finished.
I have had this request to do so, in HGL Playoff-post, already for a long time, since Tuesday I believe.


@ all HGL/HGL-PL managers:
Possible rule addition #1:

This again makes me think it might be necessary to add some kind of warning and/or direct penalty-system to HGL (which would be partly recurring from Season to Season, in the case of warning&penalty-system), like yellow cards in football (soccer) matches from one match to another.
This is because it has already been the case for many teams in this Seasons' Playoffs, and the problem has not only occurred with VPO.

Like MrJ later on (here: (331391.292)) pointed out, it's even possible to access forum/edit posts by using only BB app.
Nevertheless, requirement of editing your box score post also during Playoffs stays as a HGL rule.


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Possible rule addition/clarification #2:

Speaking of rules, as far as HGL and HGL-PL goes, I can't recall that we would've ever had a situation where team would've missed box score creation deadline (or maybe one French team once slightly did, but by informing me of it many times before and getting confirmation it's ok to do it slightly late on that special occasion).

We have been on the edge though with many teams many times before, so I hope we all can make sure it doesn't happen in the future.

However, with HGL-PL, we're also facing the situation in where one team (Tassie Devils) has not yet been created his box score post for HGL-PL on Season 5.
BBMails have been sent about the possible disqualification/forfeiting of HGL-PL matches, if HGL-PL duties have not been carried out in time.
I have already sent him many instructions, in addition to the ones sent today (as a last resort) that I'll soon publish in this forum thread as an added reminder to him.

So, where I'm getting into with this?

It is situation we haven't yet have to deal with in HGL, and basically as HGL rules applies most HGL-PL situations, drawing a line on either league probably means it'd be applied to another one as well.
In HGL rules it says:

It is of utmost importance to understand and remember, that every participating team arranges their own Pickup (PU) matches and also take care of sending box score links to appropriate place, on their own season box score post (links to posts here: (331392.6)) and are fully responsible in complying with these important rules which ensures the optimal functionality of the league.

Point is this:
It's/it'd likely be a necessary/good addition to rules (both HGL and HGL-PL), that as long as you haven't created your own box score post for the Season, you will forfeit all matches until you correct that situation.

While HGL-PL follows basically the same set of basic rules and mostly also procedures as HGL does, the problem here would also be that this hasn't ever been a clear problem in HGL so far and hence the penalties haven't been applied (nor I'd be sure they would've been clearly defined in rules anyway, as it's been one of the categories that "please don't break this rule so we don't have to start enforcing penalties on it"), and it hasn't also totally clearly been communicated to HGL-PL teams what would cause what (in terms of penalties).

But HGL-PL managers have had a requirement of going through the HGL rules/practices-posts (links also provided to them), and I understand that they should be aware that HGL-PL follows mainly HGL rules/practices when it's not mentioned otherwise in HGL-PL posts, and new managers also accept practices by participating to HGL-PL.

I hope Tassie Devils corrects this situation immediately, so that we don't have to possibily/probably start to enforce new set of penalties immediately.

However, as I mentioned, it might be good rules addition nevertheless. What do you guys think of it?

Last edited by Wagner at 7/20/2026 6:34:04 AM

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However, with HGL-PL, we're also facing the situation in where one team (Tassie Devils) has not yet been created his box score post for HGL-PL on Season 5.
BBMails have been sent about the possible disqualification/forfeiting of HGL-PL matches, if HGL-PL duties have not been carried out in time.
I have already sent him many instructions, in addition to the ones sent today (as a last resort) that I'll soon publish in this forum thread as an added reminder to him.

@Tazdevil/Tassie Devils ("TD"):
Here's an added reminder for you to act immediately, in the case you would for some reason read HGL Threads but wouldn't see/notice new BBMails sent to you. Communication in this urgent situation (as mentioned in BBMails, that we're dealing with somewhat urgent situation) has been challenging as I haven't been aware what exactly have been the problems.

Like you see, I've now tried to do this as easy for you as possible, even removing all unnecessary data (3 matches) from your box score post. Normally manager needs to do this by themselves, but I'd like you to be able to get aboard as it seemed to me you were really interested in HGL (as from the current bunch of teams, you were the first one to commit).

Of course you also need to add a Round 3 match link, what is still missing. Go to your "regular BB schedule, click match tactics/roster setup button" and note number on the browser address line. This is the match number you need to add after '=' sign.

Of course, not fulfilling HGL-PL duties in time might cause penalties, such as being disqualified from this Season's HGL-PL or forfeiting of matches as long as situation (creating box score) has been corrected.
I also remind you, that we have a strict penalties for forfeit losses-practice; forfeit loss would give you 0 points, loss 1 point, and a win 2 points.
So having forfeit loss would not do any good for one's chances of being one of the best teams in HGL-PL on that Season.



BBMail contents that have been sent to you include:

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Hi,
Participating to HGL-PL requires your immediate actions.
I'll give you one more set of instructions to follow, that should take you to the finish line in time if you act immediately.

On next BBMail to you I will send clear instructions on how to proceed, how to create your box score post. You can actually copy-paste that what I will send you, to create a HGL-PL box score post for your team, with editing it very little.

This needs to be done immediately though, as HGL-PL is beginning in less than 24hrs, so your immediate actions are required!

I give you a friendly reminder, that it's in your best interest to participate exactly on this Season if you want to play in HGL [....]


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Last instructions, act immediately:

Create this sort of post (VR75's post: (331392.170)), by replying to this post: (331392.22).
This is what you can publish (but change CORRECT match link to Round 3 match):

So, below you will find my schedule for HGL-PL on Season 5:

Note: # sign in front of team name=team responsible for sending match challenge!

HGL-PL Round 1, Monday July 20th, 2026:
#TD-SAN (139722442)

HGL-PL Round 2, Friday July 24th, 2026:
#TD-BOR (139757790)

HGL-PL Round 3, Sunday July 26th, 2026:
TD-#MLS [match=]

*Notes:
1. On 3rd Round game, add match number after '=' to create functional link to your box score post
2. TD-SAN and TD-BOR are organized at correct time.
Easy way to see what correct official time for match is, is to check your "regular BB schedule". If you know some HGL-PL match is played at correct time, then send/accept challenges only at that same time of the day, as that's the official HGL-PL match time.*



Last edited by Wagner at 7/19/2026 10:48:20 AM

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Point is this:
It's/it'd likely be a necessary/good addition to rules (both HGL and HGL-PL), that as long as you haven't created your own box score post for the Season, you will forfeit all matches until you correct that situation.

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I hope Tassie Devils corrects this situation immediately, so that we don't have to possibily/probably start to enforce new set of penalties immediately.

However, as I mentioned, it might be good rules addition nevertheless. What do you guys think of it?

On the other hand, we have a match link available for tomorrow's Tassie Devils - San Fernando VR match, which is played at correct time.


So it's a tricky situation, in where I believe both approaches would be equally fair, either:

1. demand that teams have all fulfilled their duties (as 3 out of 4 have, if it is the case that TD-MLS match hasn't been created due to TD not accepting it; MLS hasn't yet responded if he has sent the challenge or has he missed that part of the rules; regardless of what he responds though, we'd always technically be in a 'how to prove it'-situation), or

2. accept that match link without further penalties to any HGL-PL teams (including TD), if Tassie Devils will create their teams' box score post soon (even slightly after HGL-PL has started), but apply that penalty starting immediately after this HGL-PL (unless it needs to be applied to TD, if they do not act "quickly enough", of which definition is still to be determined), concerning both HGL and HGL-PL, that if you haven't created a box score post for your team, then all your HGL or HGL-PL matches will be forfreit losses as long as situation remains uncorrected.

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Again, do any of you guys have any opinions on this?

Last edited by Wagner at 7/19/2026 11:04:00 AM

HGL PO 4. (F & 3rd PM) round, season 5:

Best collective performance of the evening

Point: 94 : KK Stihija
Defense: 77 : Virtus Portici
Tot. Rebound: 60 : Rajdersi
Off. Rebound: 19 : Rajdersi
Assist: 24 : KK Stihija
Steal: 10 : KK Stihija
Block: 12 : Virtus Portici & Vilniaus „Vilkai“

Personal best performances of the evening

Point: 35 : A. Di Natale (Virtus Portici)
Tot. Rebound: 21 : E. Favaro (Virtus Portici)
Off. Rebound: 8 : M. Kavazić (KK Stihija)
Assist: 6 : S. Spólnik (Rajdersi), E. Favaro (Virtus Portici), A. Maksimavicius (Vilniaus „Vilkai“) & I. Ðurbuzović (KK Stihija)
Steal: 3 : M. Radomskis (Vilniaus „Vilkai“) & Š. Alaim (KK Stihija)
Block: 4 : G. Frosini (Virtus Portici) & M. Treinys (Vilniaus „Vilkai“)

The shooter: L. Kornatowski (Rajdersi), F. Vanazzi (Virtus Portici) & Š. Alaim (KK Stihija): 2 Three points scored

The best performer: M. Kavazić (KK Stihija): Rating: 19,5

Triple double: -

With that, I would also like to congratulate VPO for defending another title and KKS for achieving the third place.

I understand that BB has made an incredibly questionable design choice if one can't reply to forum messages/edit them by using BB app. However, requirement of editing your box score post also during Playoffs stays as a HGL rule.

It is possible to access the forums and edit them through the BB app!

For those who do not know how:

Step 1. When your app opens up, you will see the 3 horizontal lines in the top left corner...click on this.
Step 2. Click on the 'Go to Buzzerbeater.com' link. This will take you to the same login page you would use on your laptop/computer.
Step 3. Login as per usual.

Pretty easy.

It's definitely harder to write through the app, but it can be done.

I see, thank you for sharing this. I only mentioned this because I think SventraCanestri (VPO) sometimes mentioned this being the reason not updating his box score post and/or replying to forum posts.

But it's good this "problem" isn't actually a problem at all.

Speaking of problems though, what becomes to HGL-PL teams, Tassie Devils still hasn't logged in, and due to that, hasn't fixed his box score box (for HGL-PL) dilemma. I suspect you (MrJ) still haven't heard from him either (by BBMail earlier when he was still logged in on July 19th, or by other means/route (if you're keeping in touch with him elsewhere than through BB)?

Last edited by Wagner at 7/20/2026 6:40:19 AM

Sadly, no I haven't.

This might bring us to a difficult dilemma, that I tried to open up in my previous messages (into which no HGL manager still hasn't commented anything to).

Match link for today's Tassie Devils match is available (through other manager's post), but in his last message and communication with me (or with any HGL managers, it seems) he mentioned it's best to leave him out of it.
But as he has been the first of committed teams, I'm confused about not being willing to communicate if there have been problems in completing necessary steps (we can't help people if we don't know what exactly is the problem), while deadline is approaching fast.

Also, giving up on such situations is not a good thing in an all-manual league like HGL, so this is actually a good "test"/hurdle, before you enter HGL. On the other hand, more arduous hurdle from my point of view, than it probably should be, if lots of problems arise. But it should prepare teams better to HGL at least.

Anyway, we are in a tricky situation like I mentioned, in terms of accepting/not accepting Tassie Devils (TD) to HGL-PL, and/or giving/not giving him forfeit losses if we accept him in.
As I said, we have a correct match link available for today's Tassie Devils match.

We have three options:

1. accept this match today as a proper match (unless he will not participate and add box score post, in which case he would be disqualified and also first match would be ruled as a forfeit loss for him by a later decision) and wait for few days more whether or not he will be still willing to participate, because now almost everything has been handed for him ready (like you could see from my previous message), and if he's not willing to create a box score post for his team (or even share with us what exactly is the problem to begin with with not knowing how to create it), then I guess it's necessary for me to lift my hands up and judge that situation as lost case and spilled milk so to speak.

2. Disqualify him from HGL-PL Season 5

3. Hand him forfeit losses as long as box score post isn't created. However, the effect would be truly detrimental to his chances of good HGL-PL league position, so it could have the same effect as 2.

Last edited by Wagner at 7/20/2026 6:57:10 AM

Wagner wrote:

We have three options:

1. accept this match today as a proper match (unless he will not participate and add box score post, in which case he would be disqualified and also first match would be ruled as a forfeit loss for him by a later decision) and wait for few days more whether or not he will be still willing to participate, because now almost everything has been handed for him ready (like you could see from my previous message), and if he's not willing to create a box score post for his team (or even share with us what exactly is the problem to begin with with not knowing how to create it), then I guess it's necessary for me to lift my hands up and judge that situation as lost case and spilled milk so to speak.

2. Disqualify him from HGL-PL Season 5

3. Hand him forfeit losses as long as box score post isn't created. However, the effect would be truly detrimental to his chances of good HGL-PL league position, so it could have the same effect as 2.

MrJ wrote:
I would ask if you can give him just a little more time, Wagner. If he can't get back to you and/or let us know how we can help soon, then you will have to make a decision.

I actually edited my previous post a bit, which (edited version) I added to beginning this reply.

My only worry even isn't only this, that should he be able to rise from the brink of disqualification/forfeits, to participate to HGL-PL. The worry is also that if we have managers who rather throw in the towel than ask for advice actively, also those managers who take care of their duties in time are negatively affected. There needs to be some kind of change in attitude/thinking within the next week or so, should he eventually be participating to HGL, as HGL match organizing process is starting soon, and as I said, we've got lot of problems on our hands if managers enter who wouldn't be willing to ask for help.

Like I said, I have had hands full of work with this HGL-PL as a whole, so much so that all other HGL tasks have once again been buried into "to do-pile". Do you guys remember what it was like when we all started out on Season 1? Well, we had lot more teams back then to whom it was totally new (16, to be precise), but it reminded me of that, because now new managers enter who naturally haven't yet got used to the practices&rules, and naturally have questions on how to proceed on certain situations (as while rules/procedures/practices-posts are in the longer side, they still don't cover each and every aspect/nuance that there is in HGL - but also because there's lots of text, maybe new managers are not able to remember everything by reading them through once).

While I think I've made it somewhat clear (?) to HGL-PL participants that HGL-PL uses basically HGL's rules and practices if/in those situations where they aren't overruled by statements/rules in those (currently) 4 HGL-PL posts, and it is basically a HGL rule that you have to have box score post created.
I have also in my communication warned them to get things done in time or they risk disqualification and/or forfeit losses.

However, one could also argue that "these HGL rules wouldn't hold in front of a court", meaning that one could find some hole/technicality/contradicting problem from them.
One of the options, as mentioned, is to wait bit further (few more days, perhaps? At the very latest before next HGL-PL match on Friday) if he's ready to join HGL-PL.

But like I said, like IRL, managers not complying with rules/practices often cause new penalties to be applied, and as we as a community in general don't enjoy penalties all that much, let's not in general/as a part of community act so that things are needed to be solved by adding new penalties.

As also said, even if TD would be let off the hook here (if he gets post done and edited soon), it might be necessary to add forfeit penalty of not creating a box score post in future.

Last edited by Wagner at 7/20/2026 7:18:11 AM