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Date: 1/26/2026 7:23:58 AM
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Even more HGL Season 4 data, calculated and these comparison tables made by LennuK. (BC Eos):


Top 5 teams of top-8 players’ salaries in Season 4:
1. KK Stihija (595K)
2. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (526K)
3. Virtus Portici (460K)
4. Rajdersi (447K)
5. Hårdboll (444K)


Top 5 of oldest teams (based on top-8 average ages) in Season 4:
1. Hårdboll (32,1 y)
2. Virtus Portici (31,0 y)
3. BC Rajaleidjad (29,6 y)
4. Wagner College (29,4 y)
5. Elan Demars (29,3 y)


Top 5 of youngest teams (based on top-8 average ages) in Season 4:
1. Homegrown Kings (23,0 y)
2. BC Eos (23,8 y)
3. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (24,0y)
4. Freccia Azzurra (24,4 y)
5. Alanurmon Rikkaat (25,0 y)


Top 5 of teams that increased the top-8 players’ salary most between Season 3 and Season 4 in absolute salary:
1. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (158K/42,9%)
2. Rajdersi (71K/18,9%)
3. Vindicta (41K/18,9%)
4. BC Eos (41K/10,5%)
5. Wagner College (32K/10,4%)/Homegrown Kings (32K/30,8%)


Top 5 of teams that increased the top-8 players’ salary most between Season 3 and Season 4 in relative salary:
1. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (42,9%/158K)
2. Homegrown Kings (30,8%/32K)
3. Vindicta (18,9%/41K) [better than Rajdersi in later decimals]
4. Rajdersi (18,9%/71K) [worse than Vindicta in later decimals]
5. BC Eos (10,5%/41K)


Top 5 of teams getting younger (or less old, based on top-8 average ages) between Season 3 and Season 4:
1. WiMaOlca (-2,0 y)
2. Homegrown Kings (-1,4 y)
3. Wagner College (-1,0 y)
4. Madrid Chotis (-0,5 y)
5. Freccia Azzurra/Alanurmon Rikkaat (+0,1 y)


Team "power"/"value":
(see note below the table)

1. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (LMS): 21,9 [K & per y]
2. KK Stihija (KKS): 21,7
3. BC Eos (EOS): 18,2
4. Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (VIV): 16,4
5. Rajdersi (RAJ): 16,3
6. Virtus Portici (VPO): 14,8
7. Hårdboll (HB): 13,8
8. BC Rajaleidjad (BCR): 13,5
9. WiMaOlca (WMO): 12,2
10. Wagner College (WAG): 11,9
11. Elan Demars (ED): 11,6
12. Madrid Chotis (MAD): 10,5
13. Vindicta (VDT): 10,1 [better than TRO in later decimals]
14. Club Trouville (TRO): 10,1 [worse than VDT in later decimals]
15. Les Gueux du Marais (LGM): 9,6
16. Alanurmon Rikkaat (ALA): 6,6
17. Homegrown Kings (HGK): 6,1
18. Freccia Azzurra (FRE): 5,4


Note/explanation (from previous Season) on "power/value"-comparison by LennuK.:
I tried to think of other interesting parameters other than just salary and age, which would be interesting to monitor over the seasons. So, I looked into the relationship between the ages and salaries directly [...]
So, I looked at the parameter of top-8 salary sum divided by the top-8 average age to get a general parameter or a “power” ranking showing the salary to age ratio (in 1000$ per year of the average age), which could probably even be termed “value” of the players on the roster of a specific team. This by no means determines the actual value of the players in the top-8 of different teams, but is interesting to look at, when considering that a high salary and a young age are associated with a player that is actually valuable; hence the higher the described ratio is, the higher the “value” of a player would/should be. If you think such information could be interesting too, here comes the list of the HGL teams in Season 3 in the order of more to less “valuable” players in the top-8 considering their salary to age ratio.



Last edited by Wagner at 1/26/2026 7:26:24 AM

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I formed a top8-salary table of all HGL teams on Season 4, based on previous data provided by LennuK.

In this case I made an attempt to make table little bit more visual, and also added familiar "league table lines" (after 4th and 12th teams) to this post, so that we could easily compare at the end of Regular Season who has exceeded expectations, if we only look at top8-salary as a predictor of future success (which it of course solely isn't, but that's still about the best value we do have available as people are understandingly not willing to expose their players' skill point numbers).

In a table below, I've given team one line per each starting $20K of wages. So for instance a team with $120K salary would receive 6 bars of line, while team with salary $152K would receive 7, and so on.

Let's see how this turns out, and please let me know what you like of this new "format"/experimentation:

-----------------------------KK Stihija (KKS) $595K
--------------------------Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (LMS) 526
-----------------------Virtus Portici (VPO) 460
----------------------Rajdersi (RAJ) 447
----------------------Hårdboll (HB) 444
---------------------BC Eos (EOS) 432
---------------------Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (VIV) 430
-------------------BC Rajaleidjad (BCR) 398
-----------------Wagner College (WAG) 349
-----------------Elan Demars (ED) 340
----------------WiMaOlca (WMO) 329
--------------Club Trouville (TRO) 288
=========================
-------------Madrid Chotis (MAD) 279
-------------Les Gueux du Marais (LGM) 278
------------Vindicta (VDT) 258
--------Homegrown Kings (HGK) 174 #1
--------Alanurmon Rikkaat (ALA) 164
------Freccia Azzurra (FRE) 132

#1=Homegrown Kings Season 4 starting salary was $140K (position in table changed from 17th to 16th due to transfer on January 28th, 2026).


Last edited by Wagner at 1/30/2026 3:17:09 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 1/26/2026 8:13:53 AM
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Thanks, MrJ!
I'm kind of a visual person myself to some extent, so sometimes at least for me it's easier to interpret something more visual, hence the attempt to make some "graphics" in BB text editor.

As for the actual salary and age data, as I mentioned, we need to thank LennuK. from BC Eos for compiling/calculating all of the base data/stats, that we can then use to create something (some comparison tables, etc.) if we want to!

Last edited by Wagner at 1/26/2026 8:18:07 AM

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Thanks, MrJ!
I'm kind of a visual person myself to some extent, so sometimes at least for me it's easier to interpret something more visual, hence the attempt to make some "graphics" in BB text editor.


Yes, well, kecal's $430k roster is punishing my team currently...

...as expected :`(

That's very visual! lol

Maybe I should've used $-signs instead of - though xD
But hey, it's my first attempt so maybe we'll get there, and can improve on next one.

The difference (140 to 430K) is big, so yes, to some extent that's to be expected.. but your team has developed a lot (and will keep on doing so, I have no doubt about that), so I think you won't be leaving Season 4 without wins, and being an experienced manager yourself, could also very well surprise someone with clearly higher salaries.

Personally I'm having a surprise lead (by 13) against HGL top8-salary #2, LMS at half time, but maybe BB Gods will turn against me now that I mentioned about it - does knocking wood at this point help anymore, or has the damage been done already? ;P

Last edited by Wagner at 1/26/2026 11:10:12 AM

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I think this season might become quite interesting based on some stats that I calculated (will be published by Wagner later). I asked myself, who would be able to put up with Virtus Portici, who have now won back-to-back championships, especially now that Svätý Jur Snakers are not participating in the coming season. While the reigning champions’ top-8 salary decreased by 30K$, they are still the third in the top salary table and have a very balanced distribution of the team. Over the couple of last seasons Rajdersi and KK Stihija were the teams that had rivaled the undisputed top-2 teams of the league, but now it might get even more interesting.
[..]


Thank you LennuK. also for your Season 4 preview (in addition to the aforementioned salary and age statistics)!

While Svätý Jur Snakers' high top8-salaries (845K on Season 3; not participating on Season 4) does lower the HGL top8-average salary effectively (as it's way more than average salary of a HGL team), the average top8-salary level seems to rise every season, which to me makes HGL highly competitive and interesting.

I haven't calculated Season 3 and Season 4 teams' top8-average salaries though, in order to being able to give you values on how it has developed. On the other hand, couple of things affect this salary development:

- some teams (especially FRE) have sold players, that they could have theoretically keep, so these kind of effectively reduce "HGL average top8-salary", and are not a sign of bad training but instead a result of managers' own choice (to get rid of salary baggage by either tactical or forced selling/firing)

- we have different number of participating teams this season, so comparing "team salary layers" (explained just below) is not as straightforward, and

- also as new teams have been introduced that are on the lower salary spectrum of HGL so that lowers average HGL top8-salaries (while again not implying that managers would have done bad job in training, as their numbers weren't even included in the previous season top8-numbers)


Salary comparison tables (should they be made season by season) could also be "chopped to parts" in addition to providing a whole HGL's top8-salary value.
We could provide average top8-salaries for instance for
-top4,
-top 5-8,
-top 9-12,
- and top 13-16
- (and top 17-18, if there are more than 16 teams).

This would give all of us an idea, what's your teams' distance to the next level (consisting of 4 teams here in this example). Of course this salary table that has already provided gives an idea about it, but this is just a possibility/thought.

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Date: 1/26/2026 9:00:37 AM
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Good luck in the 2nd half, Wagner.

BTW...the X-Man will be returning to my roster in the next few days if negotiations are successful! B)
:D

Thanks - I'll be needing it, it´s a draw with 7 minutes to go.

I suppose you refer to one of your own draftees - please let us know who you bought should that deal be done, so I can update it in a transfers-post (and change your team salaries).

EDIT: My lead 13 at halftime, draw at 7 minutes on a game clock, and finally a 15 point defeat - talking about turnaround/collapse... An offensive rebound by LMS's Jaunkamps 66 seconds left on a game clock (3 point game at that point) and directly after that giving an assist to 3P FG finally started to break the camel's back.
PS. Coach was once again being quite humorous with timeout usage. I was left with 2 timeouts at the end of game, and from 3 remaining at that point he took a full timeout at 2 seconds remaining, being down 15. Peculiar decision, one could say.

Last edited by Wagner at 1/26/2026 9:19:00 AM

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