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234720.10 in reply to 234720.9
Date: 1/15/2013 9:11:34 PM
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u r right. outside skills train slower than short guard. inside skills train slower than tall big men. but u can always decide whether u would want a outside focused or inside focused SF. usually people prefer shorter SF as more outside skills to train than inside, so perhaps u can buy 2 short trainees and 1 6'7 to 6'9 trainee.

u can search those 20k to 30k SF on the market to get a sense of what they are like. (ignore those with high JS, HA and DR but crap in all other skills)

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234720.11 in reply to 234720.3
Date: 1/16/2013 12:30:49 AM
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I believe it is better to train guards and SF's. Partially because it tends to be MUCH cheaper because of their salaries, but also because you can buy tons of bigs on the TL that are suitable (not the case with guards). Lastly, I think they are simply more fun to train because you get to train more than just 3 skills haha

If you're only training 3 skills with bigs, you're doing it wrong.

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234720.12 in reply to 234720.11
Date: 1/16/2013 12:35:28 AM
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I agree but unfortunately when you look at U21 big men and young centers, generally no other skills besides inside shot, rebounding, inside D, and shot-blocking are above mediocre-average, unless they were drafted with skills like that.

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234720.14 in reply to 234720.12
Date: 1/16/2013 1:22:31 AM
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Smart nations... not so much.
Two of my trainees are bigs, both have reasonable/good secondaries - and both were in their U21 NTs (Japan & HK). The Japanese player left the U21 program, and immediately went to the NT.

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234720.15 in reply to 234720.14
Date: 1/16/2013 4:07:09 AM
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Its because of "big number" of active teams in Nippon ;)

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Date: 1/16/2013 4:28:15 AM
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I agree with all what you saif except that SF is maybe the position for which potential is the least important, look at all the NTs, that's maybe the only position where you'll see superstar potentiol players. For others high MVPs will already fall too short for most NTs

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Date: 1/16/2013 5:35:12 AM
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Ranked #38. You can check it out for me if you like, but that might be pretty good for a nation of under 30 users. Not quite as good as Lithuania, granted.
Whilst at it, you might want to check HK. I believe that they have a pretty good U21 program (where my *other* trainee saw good minutes as a 21yo).
My point is, Mr Glass is largely incorrect when he states that most PFC trainers are only focusing on primaries - even those with NT players.

I think the term I'm looking for would be "nyah-nyah"?

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Date: 1/16/2013 9:01:49 AM
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Agree ;)

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Date: 1/16/2013 11:34:42 AM
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I personally like training a SF (even though I train Big Men), and think training a SF is the best way to go. There's just a few things you gotta follow....

potential: for a SF you need very high potential to get a SF to where you need/want him to be. I like PAS (perrenial allstar) potential but more then likely you'd want a Superstar guy in it.

skills: can't have one jacked up skill at all, and if a skill is jacked up, it probably has to be one of the skills easier to train. for me, a hole in RB, JS or DR/HA is easy to fix. but skills like OD and ID are very hard to fix sometimes to where they can be efficient in that level. I usually go for a 5/5 guy to begin with at SF, not too low though.

time: you'd need to have a lot of patience training a 6'5'' to 6'6'' SF. It takes sometimes longer then others to train the players.


hope this helps


btw if anybody wants to train a big man, a Big Man with good secondaries are juicy on the TL and can give you a lot of dough.




A SF actually generally will consume less potential than a traditionally-trained big or guard because instead of having a few super high skills, there will be a much wider base of good but not cap-killing skills.

But not only are bigs with good secondaries quite nice on the TL, they can also be very effective players. My fourth-leading scorer right now is a 6'10 21-year old trainee who is technically a 9k point guard right now but is playing mostly PF.

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