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From: hene10

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288893.10 in reply to 288893.9
Date: 8/24/2017 4:19:27 AM
Well, don't want to tell too much, but let's say he ain't the best scorer in the BB world 😊

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288893.13 in reply to 288893.12
Date: 8/24/2017 8:07:20 AM
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It makes no sense, unless he has also some JS. And even then without enough IS he will miss layups.

The problem I had with Haek is that both his IS and RB were too low (5 IS I think it was and maybe 13-14 RB, I don't know because Nachmahr left it for last so I don't know where he got to). Haek played in D3 all his career except some D4 and D2 in his first 2-3 seasons. His stats need to be taken with a pinch of salt because of this.

He shot 0.329 for his career and has this stat line: 7.0(pts)- 7.1(rbd)- 3.2(ast)- 1.5(stl)- 1.9(blk). My guy: 0.401 shooting and 9.9- 12.6- 3.0- 0.8- 2.2. If you factor in one has been playing the near totality of his career in D3 and the other the majority in D1 and the rest in D2, I don't know if I'd take Haek: the only thing he could do better was guarding outside players, but being so bad on the other side of the court and a so-so rebounder would really hurt you in a competitive league.

Haek really was a one trick pony. As I told Nachmahr back then, with the same potential and the same amount of training he did, one could build a different kind of one trick pony, a 20JS 20JR 20IS 15PA player and then see whether he contributes more or less than the defense only guy.

Rebounding should be included in the defensive skills. A blocked shot is not as good as a steal, because it does not necessarily change the possession of the ball. In order to get possession, you need RB to take the loose ball after it was blocked.

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/24/2017 8:12:22 AM

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288893.14 in reply to 288893.13
Date: 8/24/2017 12:30:46 PM
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It makes no sense, unless he has also some JS. And even then without enough IS he will miss layups.


If it sheds any light on the matter (well, even if it doesn't), the two guys I'm talking about are both guards and are only in the low 40s on OD+ID+SB, so it's the JR part of that which brings them close to 60 (though guards with 15 SB are kind of rare too, I think).

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288893.15 in reply to 288893.14
Date: 8/24/2017 12:46:03 PM
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A Croatian was sold earlier in the season. He had 21JS, 22JR and 15PA. I could have bought him but I decided it wasn't worth the cost given his age (34).

The only problem I have with JR is that I always feel I have to sacrifice PA because of it and I don't want to. Now the question is 18JS 14JR 21OD or 18/16/
/20? Are 2 extra points in JR worth the extra on in OD?

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/24/2017 1:04:08 PM

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288893.19 in reply to 288893.17
Date: 8/25/2017 9:31:26 AM
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So you're also of the opinion that if Kawhi Leonard or Pippen or Rodman or Big Ben or any good defender in the NBA played against D-League competition or in the CBL, they would have had the same stats they did in the NBA? You want ro check the stats of old NBA players in the CBL?

Even Nachmahr seem to aknowledge his stats are somewhat underwhelming for his skills. You think he woyld have had the same blocks against 17-21 IS players instead of 9-13? These are the players my guy guards every game. So yes stats and context are critical in this discussion. And I'd be also wary of small samples...

Last edited by Lemonshine at 8/25/2017 9:33:10 AM

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