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. You bring up some bs then hide like a cat ,stand behind what you bring forth please. You want to cap the damn market macroeconomic deal with global scale not direct market you do know this right. , Capping someone saving is the same as the capping the market , Theres 3 forms of income on BB, why are trying to cap what someone can have in income for all 3 forms.? Only areana is not directed to the market which the biggest form of income on BB.

Lebron James can make what he wants in free market up to 200 million, the ball club can take and save any amount they want in free market.. they cant make/pay 20% of what the club is worth. It seem you don't know basket ball well. You say you have business degree and a master in it but never what field. I don't know maybe over seas it a bit different. But don't open your mouth on we do things in Usa for sports, you don't know. All money paid to the player and team is 100% Gureenteed in the Nba basketball. all 100% the team can spend and save what ever they want they have no cap in saving . Anything over the limit goes to the financial year as penalty 1st and a recoup(+).

League salary cap is there because they don't want to burden the other teams to carry the weight of another team pay roll, so the Nba league stay afloat. All team help pay each other pay roll and can by sell, trade player to do so . We don't do any of this on BB so it not needed. There already a tax exempt player cap.

Your telling me what capping what someone can having the bank account is, then give a penalty for having to much money they have already earned.. Its a form communism, why do think people go to private banks now and the cayman islands?? . Free market has no limitation, thats why it call "free market", equal business for all.

To sit here and say everyone should have same amount of money saved is very absurd. To put a limit on what you can save is outlandish. To sit here and discuss this with you and you bring no facts to the table to support your points of view beyond defensive rebuttal. Is a waste of my time and show you don't know the hell your talking about.!!.Im sorry

I'll say get off your jealousy of others and go make some money in your saving account. Its not hard to do on BB.

I think you may need to renew it that master degree in business . It would be the wise thing to do, because your telling me, you would want a cap on your own saving to plan to ahead in you own buisneess? what foolish way of thinking for a company. The more money you have on hand (saved) the more moves you can make in business the bigger avenues you can aquire in most cases.. You know this right. Inflation cost don't care about your business, how are you going to deal a with inflation with a capped saving also with penalty for having to much to fight it.. You just killed your business!!

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 4/14/2015 11:56:41 AM

I get what you are saying now about it being illogical compared to real life, but if you were allowed to train anyone in any skill at any time, that would just be too easy.

Don't buy the brainwashing from BB that those two extremes -- totally illogical or totally without challenge -- are the only choices. That would be totally false. That's part of what pisses me off, how conveniently the movers and shakers dismiss reforming training -- "oh, so you want it to be totally easy" -- that's BS. That's lazy. That's not doing their job. Don't buy it -- training can be made logical and still have challenges, logical challenges.

Last edited by Mike Franks at 4/14/2015 12:46:37 PM

Between you and Mike Franks, the problem is that there is too much money and money drying up at the same time. Beautiful.

No, to anyone who reads, I was talking about too much cash in the economy and Lemon thinks taxes are too burdensome. Two different animals. But if you still need to mock instead of discuss, go right ahead. (Edited to say that I see Lemonshine already caught and addressed the fallacy in your post).

Incidentally, for a proposed solution, admittedly late in the thread, see the last paragraph of (268635.89)

Someone could start mocking you when everything you propose is training magically curing all ills ... six or eight seasons from now, when users have dropped another 50%.

Here's another example of crystal clear thought, or is it just more mocking, turning "... Mike Franks' posts about needing to extract money out of the economy" into ... drum roll please ... ROBBING! C'mon, hrudey, anyone can do better than that.

The mantra -- training cures all ills, you just have to wait six or eight sesons to see the fruits of your labor -- is getting pretty threadbare.

Last edited by Mike Franks at 4/14/2015 12:36:27 PM

Well, I learned something this morning ... one basketball per person per day. Sorry, Lemonshine, I would have given three or four of your posts a basketball.

I'd call it more inconvenient than illogical. ... playing sub par lineups ...

And the real life basketball league where that is necessary, where a guy doesn't get coached and trained at all unless he plays in the regular games, where the last two or three guys onthe end of the bench (who need training the most) don't get trained ... the real life basketball league where that happens ... is ...
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*crickets*

... sometimes realism needs to take a back seat so that the game isn't entirely unfair to newer users.

Great response, well thought out, succinct, a real knee-slapper ... and completely missing the point. Realism and logical thought are not at opposite ends of the spectrum. If illogic is now being proposed to attract or retain newer users, this game is in more trouble than I thought.

I buy a player today, if I need to make back at least 80% of the money I need to wait a month or 2 depending on how many players I've sold before. For each purchase, you're making reselling the purchased player less economically viable for a period of time. So if people take longer to relist players they bought, there are less players on the market. The number of players in the game does not change, the number of players on the transfer list however does and this affects price formation. Fewer players on the market means the market becomes more opaque and that given a certain skillset it is harder to establish a fair market price because fewer transactions occur. People will bid up their own estimate of the value of a player, but with fewer comparables and with meaningless estimates provided by the game it is harder to do this properly.

It also means that managers are pushed out of their correct segment of the market, because if the overall talent in the game (i.e. the average TSP) increases or decreases players are not as easily redistributed between different levels, an argument that should be so close to your sensibility since you're a staunch supporter of the "worse potential trainees/worse players are ideal to lower level divisions" philosophy.

Even hrudey sees that your argument, though true, applies to day traders. The taxes are not so great that they impose burdensome restrictions on basketball managers. And I am not in the camp that thinks day-trading was ever good for the game.

In fact, maybe your argument could be scrutinized more closely with an eye toward seeing if it gives a clue as to another ill effect of day trading.

Ultimately you seem to be the one dismissing the problem as a non-issue, while all the open complaining from multiple people in multiple threads points to a widespread disappointment with the current situation.

Yes, and it is that dismissive attitude not only from him but pretty much across the board from the powers that be that will result in players leaving the site faster than anything else. I don't mind when someone disagrees with me -- how else are we going to learn? But to go to such lengths to preserve a flawed status quo as to dismiss the problem, and worse yet to dismiss those who are trying to shine light on the problem, will lose customers who expect the game to be improved where it needs it.

Yes, that is what I said, too. They are very different things, but the continuum between them is a grey area, as Balev said. Hoarding hurts your team, and when the hoarded millions flood back into the game it hurts the game. You would do better to try to understand Knecht than to pick a fight with him. ~ mike franks


Again it does not, flooding money into the economy only stimulates the economy the buyer dictate price., If you feel there's to much money in the economy then I can agree with that because this is a bidding economy.. I'll say teams are making more than they every made on BB in this economy as bad a sit is. They're making more than, they ever made.

The players quality is not as good, but then again its about training lol( I had chuckle saying that line) , they are selling you players to train more than player ready to win. Which is the big issues.

Last edited by Mr. Glass at 4/14/2015 2:02:29 PM