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112743.13 in reply to 112743.12
Date: 09/22/2009 10:08:56
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Fantastic work, Chuck. That is some awesome advice and a great summary...it will be a nice reference to look back on multiple times to refresh my memory whenever I am in doubt about something. Anyway we can have it "stickied" so it is at the top of the Canada forum for easy reference for all folks interested in training for the U21 team (as well as just training in general)?

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112743.14 in reply to 112743.13
Date: 09/22/2009 12:49:35
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Regarding the jump range debate, BB-Charles has said that the theory outlined to me by RIP, Jbmcrock, harfang and some other anonomus GMs is just not true. I guess you will have to make up your own mind, unless Charles offers more specifics: (112418.21).

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112743.15 in reply to 112743.9
Date: 09/22/2009 19:53:43
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Thanks for putting so much time into this Paulo,



I'm not sure Paulo would be comfortable taking credit for this. ;-)



Wow! My bad, I am so used to Paulo being the U21 manager, My bad! I am not used to writing too much to you Chuck, hopefully that will change soon enough.

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112743.16 in reply to 112743.15
Date: 09/22/2009 20:18:26
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I think this is very well done, I will look over the weekend to see if there is anything to add.

I would make sure to emphasize the importance of defense (od for guards and id for pf and centre), as that still seems to get lost a lot in the training shuffle. In my opinion, each guard should have a higher od rating that js rating. I have seen Charles's comment about jr, but stand by my experience. One of my players, Viniambres has a js/jr breakdown of 19/10 and seems to be ill effected by the unbalanced jr. My observations of players with js/jr distributions of 14/14 or 15/15 appear to provide worse results.

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112743.17 in reply to 112743.7
Date: 09/26/2009 01:53:57
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Yup, this rocks. I have too many decisions in real life - I really need a guide for BB.

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112743.18 in reply to 112743.1
Date: 11/07/2009 09:00:59
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Vincent Perron (9256339) Shooting Guard
Właściciel: KS Spójnia Stargard
Trening: Rzut z wyskoku


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112743.19 in reply to 112743.18
Date: 11/07/2009 21:21:45
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Replied already by PM... Like I said, 6th man potential is just not enough for him to be able to make the team. Sorry.

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112743.20 in reply to 112743.19
Date: 12/04/2009 15:18:36
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Ok, my experience this season has showed me the value to overtraining outside d on a guard trainee early in his career. So I updated that part of my guide.

Also, I am starting to see the importance of jump range in some situations. I have had great results this season with my player Pisanu when I run outside oriented offenses. I also noticed that he seems to make the players around him better - Wendon went off with a 45 pt game not too long ago, and it is not like his outside shooting is outstanding (sure, he was up against a player with low outside d, but that can't be the only factor).

When I play a look inside, Pisanu seems to suffer, but I don't think it is because of his JR.

Anyhow, I will just leave it as I don't think JR is completely ineffective past prominent. But there seems to be many opinions out there.

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112743.21 in reply to 112743.20
Date: 12/10/2009 10:41:34
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Just tweaking my primary and secondary skills for each position. I'm still not sure they are exactly where I want them... You can also look at Joseph Ka's weights in his coach Parrott program to see another idea of what is useful for each type of player. He tends not to value driving at all, which seems to be the position of many experienced managers.

My position is more that: driving does not seem to have any influence on the game ratings. However, it is most likely very useful for certain types of shots. Or maybe it just gives you higher quality shots in general, but this is not reflected in the game ratings.

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112743.22 in reply to 112743.21
Date: 12/10/2009 11:10:36
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I personally train handling instead of driving for my small men. I feel it increases driving enough but increases the more important skill (Ha) which factors into the game in more facets. Plus as an added bonus you can single position train it which gives more driving than dual position training driving itself.

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112743.23 in reply to 112743.22
Date: 12/10/2009 11:19:20
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I personally train handling instead of driving for my small men. I feel it increases driving enough but increases the more important skill (Ha) which factors into the game in more facets. Plus as an added bonus you can single position train it which gives more driving than dual position training driving itself.


I have to agree with this.

However, if you look at Joseph Ka's weights, it seems to suggest that leaving driving at atrocious is the way to go. I'm not convinced that is the case. Probably it is the least important guard skill, but I don't think it is completely unimportant.

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