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216751.149 in reply to 216751.142
Date: 7/21/2012 1:55:36 PM
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Ok, so he had 5 years with a top 10 all-time talent (2 of which LBJ single-handed took them to the finals). It took him a few years to get rid of debts? Come on, man. That team started spending the moment Gilbert walked in the door. The just spent on the wrong players. Slow. Old players. (e.g. Illgauskus, Donyell Marshall, etc).

Also, you're saying by 2005 LBJ knew he was going to....but I seem to remember a whole 2009 season, plus summer (with the Decision being the culminating point) where there was non-stop speculation about where LBJ was going (or if he stays). The situation clearly played out in the summer when D-Wade (and Pat Riley) went out and recruited Chris Bosh first, then LBJ.
Dan Gilbert, in the summer of 09, had the opportunity to recruit Bosh and D-Wade and bring him them to Cleveland...and HE CHOKED! He blew it. And at the end, he released a vile public statement that showed his poor character and his contempt or lack of caring for LBJ's interest. Most owners would have been gracious for the 5 years, 2 finals, 2 mvps that the hometown boy gave him....but Gilbert (and Cavs fans) felt ENTITLED for LBJ to stay home and muddle around in mediocrity. It was garbage.

LBJ was an international brand the moment he stepped foot on an NBA court. Heck, his Junior/Senior year in HS he (his brand) was being exploited by Nike and ESPN (TV and Jerseys) as a TEENAGER! For an NBA player its all about your brand. You can be angry at it LBJ for playing 'the business game' if you want, but thats the nature of capitalism. Its me first. No loyalty anywhere.

You clearly didn't get my point regarding Fisher vs. Nash. Yes Nash is a better player. My point is that teams show a lack of loyalty all the time, and its deemed a good business decision and doesnt get the same character attacks that players get when they make moves in THEIR best interests. My example of Fish and the Lakers proves this point.

Also, speaking of Nash, its curious how he didn't receive the same kind of media attacks that other free agents (e.g. LBJ, D-Howard, you name em) get when they BAIL on their team to go to a winner. Not only did Nash leave, but he went to the Suns main rival, the Lakers. You talk about LACK of loyalty. It gets glossed over because, well...he's Steve Nash. Sickening.

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216751.150 in reply to 216751.121
Date: 7/21/2012 2:03:44 PM
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Sorry man, missed your post. Life's been hectic.

Yeah, saying that he was going to win a 5,6,7, championships wasn't the smartest thing...but it was clearly hyperbole. Its like your kid telling you he's gonna be president one day. Wishful thinking. But hey, Heat have won 1 already, and could win several more before its all said and done.

From: Lemony

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216751.151 in reply to 216751.150
Date: 7/21/2012 11:35:49 PM
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I thought you were going to CT me for some reason

From: lamchops

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216751.152 in reply to 216751.151
Date: 7/22/2012 10:53:43 PM
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I've essentially given up on this season. So no real point in CTing.

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216751.154 in reply to 216751.153
Date: 7/23/2012 12:53:12 PM
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My excuse is that I was on vacation and that this season is just a money hoarding season for me.

From: Lemony

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216751.155 in reply to 216751.154
Date: 7/23/2012 5:13:05 PM
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I'm just going to point something out~ out of CleanXMen's last 4 games, 3 of them are against playoff teams. Your last 4 games only have 1 playoff team, so if you ever want to get out of the amazing 5th seed to lose money and play in the playoffs in the 4th seed, you still have a chance! :D

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216751.156 in reply to 216751.155
Date: 7/23/2012 6:46:05 PM
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I'm going to have to vehemently disagree with you Bunny, simply because I want to get into the playoffs and do not want competition from the lambchoppers.

I hope lamb stays...well...lazy and I can sneak in. I do not have a very good team, and my dismal record against the other conference proves it- I let down the conference this year big time, and I just hope for the sake of fan support, I can sneak into the playoffs.

If you're reading this Lazy...then I guess you're not. And the fate of my playoff chances are... unfortunately sealed.

Gl Bunny, btw in the championship (if u make it there) ur D is really really strong.




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216751.157 in reply to 216751.156
Date: 7/23/2012 10:17:23 PM
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I'm happy with 5th. I'm just building for my hopeful promotion next season. Long term, playoffs are better, but I need money short term to prep my team. Though I doubt you'll believe me, I'm not actively going for 4th place. In my situation going in to the playoffs just to lose to Lemony doesn't make a whole lot of since. For you though, it does, it will boost your economy next season. So if I steal it by accident, I'm sorry, but I'm not actively pursuing it. Anyways, good luck all as the playoffs come around.

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216751.158 in reply to 216751.157
Date: 7/24/2012 5:26:14 AM
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Thanks, yeah, you are a mor patient man than me- big props for that-

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216751.159 in reply to 216751.155
Date: 7/24/2012 12:27:31 PM
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So much for not scrimmaging me ever again. I've been teaching my guys some new ways to injure your players without getting caught.

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