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[U21] How to train a U21 player

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112743.16 in reply to 112743.15
Date: 09/22/2009 20:18:26
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I think this is very well done, I will look over the weekend to see if there is anything to add.

I would make sure to emphasize the importance of defense (od for guards and id for pf and centre), as that still seems to get lost a lot in the training shuffle. In my opinion, each guard should have a higher od rating that js rating. I have seen Charles's comment about jr, but stand by my experience. One of my players, Viniambres has a js/jr breakdown of 19/10 and seems to be ill effected by the unbalanced jr. My observations of players with js/jr distributions of 14/14 or 15/15 appear to provide worse results.

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Date: 09/26/2009 01:53:57
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Yup, this rocks. I have too many decisions in real life - I really need a guide for BB.

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Date: 11/07/2009 09:00:59
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Vincent Perron (9256339) Shooting Guard
Właściciel: KS Spójnia Stargard
Trening: Rzut z wyskoku


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112743.19 in reply to 112743.18
Date: 11/07/2009 21:21:45
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Replied already by PM... Like I said, 6th man potential is just not enough for him to be able to make the team. Sorry.

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112743.20 in reply to 112743.19
Date: 12/04/2009 15:18:36
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Ok, my experience this season has showed me the value to overtraining outside d on a guard trainee early in his career. So I updated that part of my guide.

Also, I am starting to see the importance of jump range in some situations. I have had great results this season with my player Pisanu when I run outside oriented offenses. I also noticed that he seems to make the players around him better - Wendon went off with a 45 pt game not too long ago, and it is not like his outside shooting is outstanding (sure, he was up against a player with low outside d, but that can't be the only factor).

When I play a look inside, Pisanu seems to suffer, but I don't think it is because of his JR.

Anyhow, I will just leave it as I don't think JR is completely ineffective past prominent. But there seems to be many opinions out there.

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112743.21 in reply to 112743.20
Date: 12/10/2009 10:41:34
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Just tweaking my primary and secondary skills for each position. I'm still not sure they are exactly where I want them... You can also look at Joseph Ka's weights in his coach Parrott program to see another idea of what is useful for each type of player. He tends not to value driving at all, which seems to be the position of many experienced managers.

My position is more that: driving does not seem to have any influence on the game ratings. However, it is most likely very useful for certain types of shots. Or maybe it just gives you higher quality shots in general, but this is not reflected in the game ratings.

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112743.22 in reply to 112743.21
Date: 12/10/2009 11:10:36
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I personally train handling instead of driving for my small men. I feel it increases driving enough but increases the more important skill (Ha) which factors into the game in more facets. Plus as an added bonus you can single position train it which gives more driving than dual position training driving itself.

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112743.23 in reply to 112743.22
Date: 12/10/2009 11:19:20
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I personally train handling instead of driving for my small men. I feel it increases driving enough but increases the more important skill (Ha) which factors into the game in more facets. Plus as an added bonus you can single position train it which gives more driving than dual position training driving itself.


I have to agree with this.

However, if you look at Joseph Ka's weights, it seems to suggest that leaving driving at atrocious is the way to go. I'm not convinced that is the case. Probably it is the least important guard skill, but I don't think it is completely unimportant.

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112743.24 in reply to 112743.23
Date: 12/10/2009 14:35:00
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I think driving's importance is also based on your inside shot. If you have a guard w/ atrocious IS good driving skill will help him hit a lot more IS. I remember seeing a post by a BB that Driving is factored into scoring inside more than IS shot is for guards.

The thing is with Josef Ka's findings is that his ratings are based on what effects the team ratings the most which is not necessarily whats best to win the game so the findings have to be taking w/ a grain of salt.

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112743.25 in reply to 112743.1
Date: 03/05/2010 13:55:40
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Wow, this is good stuff. Missed this thread when I signed up a few weeks back. My current players won't qualify for a team Canada roster, but I need some help, and hey, maybe in the future I'll pick up a good 18 y/o Canadian trainee.

I can't decide what to train on my PG, his attributes are as follows:

Jump Shot: pitiful Jump Range: inept
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: respectable
Driving: respectable Passing: proficient ↑
Stamina: pitiful Free Throw: atrocious

Experience: atrocious

I heard something about team training (stamina/FT) being a good option right now but I forget why. Anybody know?

I get the feeling that I'll get the most out of training primaries (as opposed to stamina and free throws) at a young age so I'm thinking about training handling or maybe outside defence? He's 0-31 on free-throws on the year and he's shooting just 25% so those are two other question marks. Thanks in advance.

From: chris902

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112743.26 in reply to 112743.25
Date: 03/05/2010 15:32:28
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In the off-season a lot of people liek to train FT/stamina because you only get two games per week during those periods. (or you're in the playoffs and need to prioritize winning over allocating training minutes) I am sort of torn on it - my first two season I team trained in two game weeks but almost none of those players are currently on my roster and stamina/FT didn't increase their sale value so I sort of feel like I wasted those weeks... so there isn't a clear answer but if you're going to train ST/FT then this is probably the time to do it, and if you want to keep that PG for any length of time I would get his FT up at least one level.

I would also work on getting his OD to at least strong or proficient and then train handling to boost his DR and HD. I am a huge fan of OD and try to make sure it is at least one level above every other skill, but that's just me.


Anyway welcome to the game and the forum and definitely consider signing up for the offsite forum http://bbcanada.forumotion.com/ where there is some more specific talk about the NT and NT players. There are a lot of the stats of NT and U21 players posted there and that can give you a sense of how elite players are built.

Hopefully you can pick up a good prospect or two in the draft and if you need any help there are lots of smart managers here and on the off-site forum so feel free to ask for help.

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