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319682.19 in reply to 319682.16
Date: 08/02/2023 15:21:38
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I guess to answer this we might have to run coach parrot and see which hits 20 DR 20 OD at an earlier pace.

That would be based on the assumption that Coach Parrot has the right formulae for the extreme, when you train the top skill. I know from experience that it has not.

The general formulae is right, but if you train OD with no Dr and Handling you will train from 17OD to 18OD a lot (at least twice) faster than the given numbers.

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319682.20 in reply to 319682.19
Date: 08/02/2023 23:57:02
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Would you care to share some objective data on that?

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319682.21 in reply to 319682.20
Date: 08/03/2023 02:24:55
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I gave it, and said "from experience".

That may not be enough for you, but i invite you to try.

1-Last time i checked, more than 6 years ago, the formulae for elastic effect is the following: 0.91^(trainedskill-averageofskills in the elastic pool) if there is a 14 points difference we should get a *3.74 training. I've never seen such a training.I read once the story of a guy that had a +2 block points in such a case.

2-Once more, if the trained skill is the *top skill*, there is a calculated bad elastic effect that add to the effect with a formulae 0.925^(trainedskill-average of all skills)

The first one does not seem to be right if we take extreme values, the second one, and i stand by what i said, is not right at all from experience when you train over 16-17OD till 20 with an average Handling and dribbling (let says 10 or 11). I'm not discussing if it is right to train that kind of archetype.

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319682.22 in reply to 319682.21
Date: 08/03/2023 02:27:33
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May i add, that i do love @CoachParrot and @JoKa's work and i would advice anybody to have a look at it, and at @JoKa's threads.

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319682.23 in reply to 319682.21
Date: 08/03/2023 04:23:22
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I understand that it is "from experience". But is that "experience" a "from experience it takes 2 full seasons to hit 20 in DR and 1 season to hit 20 in OD while the other method takes more than 3 seasons to reach 20 OD 20 DR" experience or is it a "I don't know how long it takes but it feels faster" kinda experience?

Coz unless it is the first, it could be just a result of biaseness.

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319682.24 in reply to 319682.23
Date: 08/03/2023 13:02:09
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training OD 6 players for two more seasons while @coachparrot was telling me i would get a +1 in 11 training.

Thanks radomness.

I stop here. You are quick to search for info or biais on other but you do not doubt what you beleive to be true.

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319682.25 in reply to 319682.24
Date: 08/03/2023 23:27:42
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I mean this is the only objective information that I have got. I keep asking you all for records or objective info and you all mostly give me vague and incomplete information.

Share it, convince me. I'm open. But will any of you?

I get it that you have pointed out some flaws of coach parrot. Okay, so coach parrot isn't as reliable as I thought. I accept that. Now may I have a more accurate and reliable source? How sure are you that whatever you're following is not less accurate than coach parrot?

I'm not here to argue. I'm here to just find the most efficient way to train. None of you are offering me proof of that. The only proof you all give is "trust me bro".

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319682.26 in reply to 319682.25
Date: 08/04/2023 15:16:38
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lol

I do not search to be a reliable source. I do share some experience. I certainly do not have time to convince anybody, it's a waste of time. Period. Nor did i say that you should not train the usual way.

And I do not try to be accurate as i use @CoachParrot formulae and a rule of thumb.That worked fine for me so far. And sometimes i try something out of the usual path.


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319682.27 in reply to 319682.26
Date: 08/04/2023 19:41:01
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Fair enough. Thanks for sharing your experience.

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319682.29 in reply to 319682.28
Date: 08/05/2023 12:12:35
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Is there any reason people going for a defensive big with passing would want to train DR apart from pops in handling and potential negative elastic effect?
In other words, does it matter whether DR itself is, for example, 8 or 12?

driving also trains a fair amount of js (and is when training forwards) what eats potential (and salary)

guess this is the main aspect

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