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From: jonte

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Date: 4/25/2016 9:31:32 AM
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When I opened this thread I was sure that it would be the first one to say that 3pt shooting is ruling BB again. i was worng, but I have seen some games recently, where outside just ruled..

german cup finale: (90290478)- 50% from 3pt range
Div II game: [match= 89174618] - 44,4% from 3pt range
national team: (37035) - 43% from 3pt range

those where the first few examples that I can come up with. it shows games at all levels. in all cases the outsideteam won against the insideteam.

I didn't do much research either to pick these games, just looked for the last few games of my team and the national team. cup finals was obvious...

to comment your game: 36,6% from 3pt range is not bad at all for a team that has a 6 in flow and outsideshooting, even against a very bad outside defense..its not GSW or something..

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Date: 4/25/2016 2:18:39 PM
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I know we have seen some game reports of good shooting here and there and a few good shooting players...but how about this??????

http://www.buzzerbeater.com/match/37225/boxscore.aspx

That is PITIFUL pressure rating of opponent. Here flow and outside shooting absolutely destroy the opponents defensive rating...

Why is only 11/30 made? That is barely over 1/3. Should be 40s or 50s %s??? RIGHT???

I guess we got some no JR guys or something...still...

It seems that wiht such a horrible OD we should have shot better.


Nippon got too many open threes, and only hit 30% on those (6/20). The contested shots were 50% (5-10). Too much offensive flow vs. such a poor defense for the threes to work, although of course without the flow there'd be a lot less success on inside shots.


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Date: 4/26/2016 4:14:08 AM
Woodbridge Wreckers
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You should know better than to draw conclusions from a SINGLE observation. You need a good sample size. Furthermore 11/30 is 37% which is in no way awful. Better can be expected, but for a normal distribution there are outliers on both sides of the mean. This is probably a low outlier.

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Date: 4/28/2016 7:56:58 PM
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37% actually puts you well into the top third of all NBA players with at least 50 3PT shots attempts.

Only one team (Golden State) shot above 38% from three this regular season.

Last edited by Phyr at 4/28/2016 8:13:47 PM

From: RamenQueen

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Date: 5/1/2016 12:14:39 AM
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Yeah but that's for a season, not an individual game.

From: Phyr

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Date: 5/1/2016 9:19:17 AM
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So what? Poster was complaining that the 3p% was a low number when it really is the avg of any good 3 pt shooting team in the nba not named the warriors who are the greatest regualr season team of all time.

From: RamenQueen

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Date: 5/1/2016 11:00:09 PM
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So what? Poster was complaining that the 3p% was a low number when it really is the avg of any good 3 pt shooting team in the nba not named the warriors who are the greatest regualr season team of all time.



Poster was also saying that for that particular happenstance the other team had people that would not be expected to guard the 3s well at all. Not an "average defensive 3pt team vs any good 3 pt shooting team". The impression I got from that is the team said poster was referencing said game, was more of an "outlier", so... going to your thing about the NBA. Say the bulls shoot 37% 3pts, the cavs shoot 39% spts, the Raptors 37% 3pts the Trailblazers 39% and the warriors 42% 3pt.
They weren't shooting that % every single game. They would play against one team and maybe shoot 22% from 3pt.

But, then they'd have a game vs the crappy 3 pt defense team, the outlier team, and shoot maybe 63%.
Poster is talking about how the team in said example was this 63% against team, but the team playing them only shot 37%

From: Phyr

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Date: 5/2/2016 4:19:31 PM
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When you have one game as a sample size you cant really make solid conclusions. Good 3 pt shootimg teams underperform in RL sometimes toi

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Date: 5/3/2016 5:08:49 AM
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Why don't you show us the correct sample size then? It's not that hard, go to www.buzzer-manager.com -> My League -> Statistics per team and post your season 3fg%. It seems to me that you are as much just making posts for unfounded whining as others are just looking to respond negatively (just to be clear I don't think either is true).

My team shoots just 27.4% on the season but I have an inside team. Other teams vary from 18.5% through 34.4%, so that's quite low. However, with teams being build around OD and IS (and defense rating in general being higher than offense rating), that could be just the expected outcome. I don't expect high % when you get 7 outside scoring rating vs 12 perimeter defense rating.

If you want a more complete analysis, also make an overview of the average of Perimeter Defense and Outside scoring ratings of the teams in your league (look up a team and select "Ratings" in the dropdown menu).

THEN you can make a valid point.

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