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136143.28 in reply to 136143.27
Date: 3/24/2010 11:09:19 AM
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I have a player that can play on the national team Paris Rachiotis (12686499) Shooting Guard

Owner: lakers+kobe

Weekly salary: $ 5 707

DMI: 19000
Age: 30
Height: 6'0" / 183 cm
Potential: star
Game Shape: respectable
Jump Shot: respectable Jump Range: respectable
Outside Def.: respectable Handling: awful
Driving: average Passing: pitiful
Inside Shot: average Inside Def.: mediocre
Rebounding: inept Shot Blocking: pitiful
Stamina: strong Free Throw: respectable

Experience: inept



paris has 88pts in two games he is huge option for your team

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136143.29 in reply to 136143.28
Date: 3/24/2010 11:47:24 AM
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Ok, you really need to do some research before you post things like this in these forums. This player wouldn't even be considered for the U21 team if he was young enough, let alone the NT. I admire your enthusiasm but you need to spend more time playing the game and watching the NT before you start making claims like these.

From: O-Rod

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Date: 3/24/2010 12:31:53 PM
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Thanks for the good questions Chris, I'll take them one at a time.

First the purpose of the U21 team is really to provide managers with a good reason to train domestic players. There is a motivation for the managers because there is a merchandising payout and also I would like to think that there is some pride involved. Those are certainly the reasons why I have trained Numbers Ali to make the U21 team. There is also some fun to be had with the U21 setup and some of the games (like Brazil 2 seasons ago) evoke some serious emotions with real consequences.

I like the idea of saving prospects but I would not save players that I didn't think had a real shot of being help to the NT in years to come. The real focus for saving players would have to be within the first few weeks of this season for them to be of any real help to Canada. There is also likely to be less of an impact on enthusiasm in that time (with some matches likely to be walkovers early on).

The reality of the NT is that there isn't always a huge reason for people to become involved in it. Hopefully by reaching out to a lot of the managers who have players that we are tracking for NT and U21 teams through BBmail that would stir up some interest as these managers would have a reason to be interested in the team as their players may make it onto the rosters in the future. I also think the mentor program does a lot to stir up more interest in the game and I would like to encourage more players to become mentors and more of the Div III & IV mangers to become mentees.

I'll answer your last question in my next post.

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136143.31 in reply to 136143.28
Date: 3/24/2010 12:32:46 PM
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I understand where you're coming from by looking at how much points he's scored. But go check out the Canada National Team and Under 21 Team and look at the roster to see the type of salary you need your players. If you register for the offsite forum, a lot of the players skills are posted so you can compare your guys to them.

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136143.32 in reply to 136143.29
Date: 3/24/2010 12:34:35 PM
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Glad to see that you are running. I really hated the lack of serious competition against RIP in the NT election.

As for "i am a hockey fan", he is just one of the users who will flood your BB-mail on a semi-regular basis with a useless prospect for the team. So perhaps that is his contribution to the debate - to give you a glimpse of what to expect. ;-)

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Date: 3/24/2010 12:34:43 PM
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Just wanted to say that I have thrown my name into the election. I will get my speech up tomorrow and will start answering some of the previous questions

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Date: 3/24/2010 12:43:24 PM
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Wow, it looks like we have a real race on our hands now! May the best manager win!

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Date: 3/24/2010 1:06:36 PM
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To the managers that think you should only save players within the first couple weeks of the season, I would like to point out that Moran was saved at about the all-star break when he was 18, and with proper training, he has the highest salary of any Canadian U-21 ever. Limiting the rescuing of players to just the first few weeks, may mean that you miss players created just after the start of the season (that go undrafted) which have high starting attributes, high potential (hall of fame or higher), and the right height that allows a player to pop up a skill level almost every single week (as Moran did) with single position training. These players are rare enough that they shouldn't just be rescued in the first few weeks of a season. And with the increase to weekly player salaries, more and more lower division teams may balk at training their players for more than 2-3 seasons.

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136143.36 in reply to 136143.35
Date: 3/24/2010 1:17:34 PM
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This is certainly true, which is why I was happy that The Mogul was able to work with me to identify some prospects to save towards the end of this past season. However, I would suggest that Moran was more the exception rather than the rule. A couple of points:

1) This would only be true for a C. For a C you can get away with training 3 skills, so they can in general improve quite quickly, provided they have the potential to do so.

2) If I am being completely honest, Moran is great but I am not sure he is the best ever U21 centre. Sure, he has the highest salary ever for a C on Canada's U21 (I will take your word for it), but I am sure that has more to do with the recent salary increase than anything else. Given the same game shape, I would have likely started Spencer over Moran at the same points in their respective careers.

3) I personally hope we never see another U21 talent pool like this.

So... While I agree with you in principle, if a U21 manager is pressed for time at the end of the season, I would like to see looking for players to save at the bottom of his priority list.

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136143.37 in reply to 136143.35
Date: 3/24/2010 2:17:04 PM
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Actually, just called Moran up to confirm and it turns out I was wrong. He is a fair bit better than Spencer was at the same time last season.

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136143.38 in reply to 136143.32
Date: 3/24/2010 5:06:39 PM
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then sorry

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