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From: fewmit

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Date: 12/25/2013 1:20:46 AM
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Most of all though, and I say most of all because I have received many BB-mails about it, I am known for my love of SBing, outside offenses, and wanton to mix things up.
Can you elaborate on this part of your speech with specifics?

1. Do you want the U21 to run outside offenses? Which ones?
2. If yes, how many seasons would you think it would take to retune the player pipeline to have enough appropriate outside players at your disposal?
3. Mix up what? Offenses? Defenses? Training? Details please.
4. How do you value SB opposed to ID and what would a trainable good U21 big look like to you?

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Date: 12/25/2013 1:31:03 AM
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1. All of them
2. Short answer? 2 seasons. Long answer? 3 seasons
3. I think it's time to just delete the entire player database. Too much information for us to handle. We should just email a group of randomly selected players and tell them to follow this training plan or they're banned.
4. SB is not effective unless it is, at all times, at least 12 above ID. I'm not smallfries, but A good u21 guy would be 1/1/2/1/1/8 17/12/2/22. That may be the greatest player the NT has ever, and will ever see.

Edit: I feel like I must point out that I am kidding. I don't want to lose another election and then have someone BB-mail me asking if I was serious about running or not. Yes, I am very serious.

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Question for Oriolekid - In season 23 you volunteered to be the NT opponent scout for Sleet. As far as I ever saw there were no postings or indication that you did any scouting to help the NT that season. I don't wish to mudsling, but this is the last point of involvement you had with either NT program, and considering this point I think I would need a little convincing about your ability to be a reliable U21 manager. Convince me.

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Date: 12/25/2013 1:47:46 AM
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I acdiently deleted that post trying to edit it, due to a grammar error. This topic is closed till further notice.

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From: A-Dub

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Date: 12/25/2013 2:30:19 AM
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1. All of them
2. Short answer? 2 seasons. Long answer? 3 seasons
3. I think it's time to just delete the entire player database. Too much information for us to handle. We should just email a group of randomly selected players and tell them to follow this training plan or they're banned.
4. SB is not effective unless it is, at all times, at least 12 above ID. I'm not smallfries, but A good u21 guy would be 1/1/2/1/1/8 17/12/2/22. That may be the greatest player the NT has ever, and will ever see.

Edit: I feel like I must point out that I am kidding. I don't want to lose another election and then have someone BB-mail me asking if I was serious about running or not. Yes, I am very serious.


Is this all just a joke to you? You have some serious convincing to do, sir. Put on some booby tassels and show off your tah-tah's, or something. I need to see that you're committed! And yes, my vote counts, too! Do not disappoint me.


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From: Isaiah

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Date: 12/25/2013 8:59:42 AM
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Most of all though, and I say most of all because I have received many BB-mails about it, I am known for my love of SBing, outside offenses, and wanton to mix things up.
Can you elaborate on this part of your speech with specifics?

1. Do you want the U21 to run outside offenses? Which ones?
2. If yes, how many seasons would you think it would take to retune the player pipeline to have enough appropriate outside players at your disposal?
3. Mix up what? Offenses? Defenses? Training? Details please.
4. How do you value SB opposed to ID and what would a trainable good U21 big look like to you?


Thanks for the questions Fewmit.

1. Currently I do not believe the U21 is ready for an outside offense. My goal is to work with managers and create a pipeline of players to allow flexibility for future NT/U21 managers. There may be times to "test" or do different things because of the GDP, but those will most likely be against weaker opponents. I am a believer that the direction BB is going will force everyone to be able to run multiple tactics and we need to prepare now before it's too late.

2. This is ultimately dependent on the owners of players. If they are more willing to train outside oriented players ( which I believe more are) then I think we could have a team capable in 2 seasons. I will not force the issue to get it done in less time unless I see that there are several managers willing to do it now.

3. When I say mix things up this goes back to tactical decisions. I hate being predictable so I like to change tactics, as long as I am comfortable that the outcome will be positive.

4. This is a good question. At the U21 level we will struggle to see high SBing bigs just because there isn't enough time to train it and other things. I would say an ideal big would have SB equal to ID. So 13/13. The overall skillset would be 8/6/5/5/9/6/13/13/13/13. This player could fit the bill of outside and inside oriented for the U21. Also, lots depends on the skills players start with too. Maybe a better thing would be you give me the starting skills and ill tell you how I would train.

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Date: 12/25/2013 10:18:52 AM
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I can't give an excuse for my failure with opposition scout. I made a commitment to Sleet, and then I failed him, and the offsite with my lack of commitment. One of my biggest regrets playing BB, and I knew if I was to run it would be my biggest obstacle to overcome.

As for my commitment to the NT? For 15 seasons I've been on the offsite, scouting, offering advice, following training diaries, and following gameplanning threads. There are times where I've cared more about the future U21 guys than my own club, and in 15 seasons there has not been one time I haven't had a legit U21 candidate on my roster. Sure I could have bought better prospects from other countries, but I splurged on the US guys because it just makes the game 10x better to have a prospect that the offsite is excited about.

I made an egregious mistake in failing to live up to my commitment to Sleet. And for that I'm sorry. But you won't ever have to worry about how committed I am to the U21. It's been my BB goal to be the U21 manager for over a dozen seasons. I believe this season it is my turn.

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Date: 12/25/2013 11:48:17 AM
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Everyone knows that international athletics are extremely corrupt (I'm looking at you FIFA and the IOC). If I buy you suporter will you put my player on the team even if he's only 18 and not ready?

From: Jelme

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An ideal 13/13/13/13 inside skill big man may end up being too unspecialized to excel. Would having two big men that are unbalanced be better for the U21 team?

From: E.B.W.

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Ill jump in on thi if I may. I think it is much better to have two unbalanced bigs. That is why there are players categorized as a PF and some that are categorized as a Center. I feel like the U21 NT would be much better if our PF was a bigger offensive threat (meaning there would be less time spent on defensive and rebounding skills) and then the center can have slightly less offensive skills and pick it up on the defensive and rebounding side. LI is more efficient with a PF who is shaped like an actual PF, instead of a Center that we are forcing to play PF.

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From: Isaiah

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Date: 12/25/2013 12:13:53 PM
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Yes, in all reality we are going to have bigs with all the same skills. Some will be better scoring, some will be better rebounding, and some will be better defensively. While that was my "ideal" it won't be what we see on the team. Currently very few people are unwilling to train SBing that high so we won't see many of those bigs. I'm not going to look for players that strictly match that skillset either. Ill go in looking for the BEST players at the time. I will have other ways to break it down of course, like American owned, GS history, and game necessitys. I hope this answers your question Jelme.

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