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1503.35 in reply to 1503.33
Date: 10/22/2007 10:47:48 PM
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Darth,
The BB's have always indicated that "best position" for a player isn't necessarily that. Obviously, at 6'1", your guy is not center....he's a PG with Center skills......
he should dominate the other PG's in the lowpost!!!

I do see your point about more info, but I will reiterate that a guys listed position is sometimes not the one he is ideally suited to play.......just an FYI.

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1503.36 in reply to 1503.34
Date: 10/22/2007 10:50:29 PM
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If playing a 6'1" person at center doesn't affect a game's outcome then there is more wrong with this game then just the draft system.

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1503.37 in reply to 1503.36
Date: 10/22/2007 10:53:09 PM
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A 6'1" person will not train at center nearly as well as one of their taller brethren.

The skills that they have, though, still translate, and that's the way it should be.

The idea is that a taller player will find it much easier to develop their rebounding skills, for example.

This game is very young, and players are not even close to being as good as they can be, and taking a new draftee and comparing him to the best players available is poor judgment at best.

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1503.38 in reply to 1503.33
Date: 10/22/2007 10:54:23 PM
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Ok as far as I remember the Game Engine does not take into account height.

However the training system does. So he will train slower than a taller player.

I would suggest a way to fix this for future is to show whether a player is above or below 6'5"

He really is not a bad player and can be sold for quite a bit. Being young you can still train him effectively. We do not know how much height affects the training yet so try and find out.
Just remember he will have no disadvantage in the game. The skills represent the ability of the player to play the position that the skill is suited to. So if the player has respectable Inside Shot he has the same capability as another player with the same skill level.

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1503.39 in reply to 1503.37
Date: 10/22/2007 11:00:40 PM
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I'm not sure who was comparing new draftees to established players. That seems tangential to the conversation.

The point that Darth and I were making before the draft and now is this:

I want to train inside guys(hypothetically) as a long term strategy. Everything about this game lets me do that except for one. That one thing happens to be a vital part of any long term strategy. To not be able to control the new players that are being introduced to your team to even the small extent of height and/or position is ridiculous. It almost entirely removes the viability of long term planning. Why should it? Why can't it be something that is useful to our team instead of a source of frustration.

Let me draft tall people and get crap. I can live with that. But if I try to draft tall people and get 6'1" inside players... That I have a problem with.

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1503.40 in reply to 1503.38
Date: 10/22/2007 11:04:54 PM
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Ok as far as I remember the Game Engine does not take into account height.

However the training system does. So he will train slower than a taller player.

I would suggest a way to fix this for future is to show whether a player is above or below 6'5"

He really is not a bad player and can be sold for quite a bit. Being young you can still train him effectively. We do not know how much height affects the training yet so try and find out.
Just remember he will have no disadvantage in the game. The skills represent the ability of the player to play the position that the skill is suited to. So if the player has respectable Inside Shot he has the same capability as another player with the same skill level.


So let me get this straight. If I have a 6' player with respectable inside shooting he will have the same ability to score low post on a 7' opponent as a 7' player with respectable inside shooting? That seems unintuitive.

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1503.41 in reply to 1503.35
Date: 10/22/2007 11:18:49 PM
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I realize BB's best position isn't necessarily that. But based on my parameters, and my thinking of what each skill should contribute, he fits my bill as a center or power forward.


His other skills don't lend to being a guard. He is low outer def, driving, handling ,etc. He's a natural center or power forward. As it is I am going to play him as a SF, since I'm making my SF more inside focused, but to get more concentrated training, I'm going to play him in my scrimmages as a center.

Batman raises a good point - does height really play NO part in the game engine other than training?

Edited by DarthMaul (10/22/2007 11:22:24 PM CET)

Last edited by Darth Maul at 10/22/2007 11:22:25 PM

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1503.42 in reply to 1503.39
Date: 10/22/2007 11:20:36 PM
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I'm not sure who was comparing new draftees to established players. That seems tangential to the conversation.

The point that Darth and I were making before the draft and now is this:

I want to train inside guys(hypothetically) as a long term strategy. Everything about this game lets me do that except for one. That one thing happens to be a vital part of any long term strategy. To not be able to control the new players that are being introduced to your team to even the small extent of height and/or position is ridiculous. It almost entirely removes the viability of long term planning. Why should it? Why can't it be something that is useful to our team instead of a source of frustration.

Let me draft tall people and get crap. I can live with that. But if I try to draft tall people and get 6'1" inside players... That I have a problem with.

I'm not sure who was comparing new draftees to established players. That seems tangential to the conversation.

The point that Darth and I were making before the draft and now is this:

I want to train inside guys(hypothetically) as a long term strategy. Everything about this game lets me do that except for one. That one thing happens to be a vital part of any long term strategy. To not be able to control the new players that are being introduced to your team to even the small extent of height and/or position is ridiculous. It almost entirely removes the viability of long term planning. Why should it? Why can't it be something that is useful to our team instead of a source of frustration.

Let me draft tall people and get crap. I can live with that. But if I try to draft tall people and get 6'1" inside players... That I have a problem with.


My response basically dealt with this:

So let me get this straight. If I have a 6' player with respectable inside shooting he will have the same ability to score low post on a 7' opponent as a 7' player with respectable inside shooting? That seems unintuitive.


The idea is that the shorter player is really a better inside scorer, but cannot take full advantage of his skills due to his height.

We want the actual skill level of the player to be the determining factor on how good the player is.

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Any three for me
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1503.43 in reply to 1503.38
Date: 10/22/2007 11:29:06 PM
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so the "Best Postion" is where the player is best at now, not where he will be best at with proper training.
Regarding Draft of Players. The same thing happened to me. I got a 7' small forwared and and 6'6 Center.

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1503.45 in reply to 1503.40
Date: 10/23/2007 12:16:54 AM
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Just because you seem to be doubting what I am telling you I hunted through the threads from August and July and found this quote from BB-Charles one of the designers (not just programmer) of the training system and the Game Engine...

BB-Charles (461.1)
Date: 7/25/2007 7:46:31 AM

The skills reported for each player take into account the player's height. For example, a player who is 6'5" and a respectable rebounder is more talented at rebounding than a player who is 7'0" and a respectable rebounder, but the 7'0" player makes up for the difference with his extra height.

Any player listed as a respectable rebounder will, when both their height and skill are combined, be approximately equivalent at rebounding.

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