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pretty devastated from the loss, Its tough trying to train 2 positions and trying to play a game without either of my 2 best guards. either way i'm still predicting a championship this year, just not going to be quite as clean as i wanted, going to have to win some road games.

Javamen with the upset! Still impressive even though Strong arm benched half their starters.

Javamen with the upset! Still impressive even though Strong arm benched half their starters.

Yes, nice upset, especially since Java went look inside against the Strong's strongest D rating.

We shall have to see how the next couple of matches play out in terms Great 8 v. Big 8, but one conference is clearly the stronger conference despite what the first match-up results were.

I agree 100%. When Boilermakers go bot, the Big 8 will be deeper, but the Great 8 has stronger teams in the top 4.

I politely disagree. I would be interested in what measurement you are using when defining "stronger." On Tuesday:

Javamen (#4) knocks off Strong arm of the law (#2), and I'm not sure how you can bench half of your starters when 5 guys play.
Moose (#2) knocks off the Lightning Hoopers (#4)

That makes us 2-0, and though I understand that the Fiercekitties will probably tip the odds in your favor record-wise, when looking 1-4 I would say we are better. And the head-to-head record will show that in a few weeks.

On Saturday, the Mares and the Javamen (the #3/#4, respectively), will play, and I tend to see Javamen win by 12 or so, especially given that they have home court.

Frankly, Fiercekitties at Catzz (#1/#3) is going to be closer than you think, and if the kitties win, assuming even tactics and effort, it will be by seven or less. The Catzz are no pushover. Fiercekitties calling card is defense, and as they haven't shown themselves to be an offensive juggernaut, the first team to 95 points wins. Home court for the Catzz causes this to be a great match.

Don't be taken aback if we find the Big 8 sitting at 4-0 Saturday night.

With all due respect, this is just my novice opinion.




Last edited by Duke at 2/19/2015 11:27:11 AM

I think godz is looking at the ratings put up by the teams and looking at state provided by buzzer managers. Other then kitties who else is even putting up ratings close to me. That means that we clearly have the 2 best teams in the league. I have 3 of the top 6 players in the league by rating and 4 of the top 10 by efficiency. I'm really kinda wondering what measurement your looking at where we are by far the stronger side.

In terms of me sitting my starters for the game against java, i sat 4 of my 5 starter. the only starter that started is his position was my starting C. My starting SG did start at SF because of a need to get him minutes to keep form up, but hes out of position there and putting up a rating at least 2 lower then is he was playing his natural position.

I'm just confused as to how its close. I think its pretty clear I have the best C in the league, I have a top 3 or 4 PF, the clear top SF and a starting SG and PG who are top 2 or 3 in the league.

Do the player ratings, as a variable, hold the greatest weight in the equation that determines what teams and players are the best? Are there not a number of other variables at play here? I think to rely ratings heavily is an over-simplification of BB.

I don't disagree that you have the best two teams. I do disagree that you have the best four.

I have 3 things to say...

1. Strong arm has 5 players with a salary over 20K. Only 2 of them played versus Javamen, so Javamen were barely able to beat 2/5 of Strong arm's starting 5.

2. You don't get how good Fiercekitties actually are. On paper, they seem like a beatable team, but they are WAY better on the court. I think Fiercekitties will beat Catzzz by double digits at least. Catzzz also don't have much of a frontcourt. I think Fiercekitties should take it easily.

3. Mares sold most of their team. I think my GODS could beat them now.

i'm just hoping sitting those players was worth it and I can advance in the cup today, if not it was a real waste. Well actually to be worth it i really need to both advance and have a winnable game in my next cup match.

In response:

1) I understand what you are saying about Javamen and Strong Arm, my apologies. But I don't put a lot into salary. A player, in and of himself, is not nearly as important as how he is utilized in the GE.

2) Fiercekitties are great. Yes, I get that. However, a measurement on paper IS how good they are on the court. This is BB, there is no magic chemistry variable (that I know of) built into the BB GE. What you see is what they are. I played BB for 20 seasons (started season 8) before I took a break and started over. I feel like I have a decent handle on the game. That being said, I know that kitties are the team to beat. But nobody is invincible.

3) Selling means cash, cash means the ability to purchase later. Right now the market prices are high. Perhaps Mares will retrofit prior to the playoffs? And if money is a measurement, then I would expect Calum could win the entire thing if he desired.

4) Good discussion! I appreciate your thoughts.

I will offer this on the Big 8 v. Great 8 debate. Will admit that I have been basing most, if not all, of my opinion and my comments on last season's results. Last season, the Great 8 was hands down the better conference, with Marin easily winning in the finals and promoting up.

Strong-arm came down from D.3 to replace Marin, and is a quality team. Thus, it would appear that, at the top, the Great 8 would remain significantly stronger than the Big 8. Now, I will fully admit this ignores the new teams coming up from D.5. The Great 8 may have added some scrubs, while the Big 8 may have added some studs - I don't know. I don't know, since I have not really been scouting the Big 8.

I do hope the Big 8 is significantly stronger than last season, as it would make the regular season, and the playoffs significantly more exciting than last season. Basically, last season was reduced to who would Marin be crushing in the finals. Kind of dampered down the fun a bit.

Good luck to all going forward in the weeks ahead.



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