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From: Johnson

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Date: 4/25/2011 7:41:12 PM
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if anyone at all knows of any decent Indian player at all please let me know

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From: yodabig

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Date: 4/25/2011 7:51:26 PM
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Thanks again and added him to the database. Great defender and considering his age he looks a certainty to make the team at some stage.

From: yodabig

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Date: 4/25/2011 10:31:36 PM
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So at the moment my inclination would be something like.

PG Hashmat Gnanam
SG Aanandakumar Ghosh
SF Hashmat Firosh
PF Sarfaraz Ishtaq
C Velmurugan Dey
Bench
PG/SG/SF Aloki Peppin
PG/SG Dharmakeerti Kumar
PG/SG/SF Mahendravarman Singh
C/PF Farooq Ishtaq
C/PF Dhritiman Vikesh

Now that is 10 players and I really only want as few as possible so we can save as many guys as we can. I would love to cut that number to 7 but that gives us at least a starting point. I guess something I need to work out next is who is going bot this week and what players they have worth saving.

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Date: 4/26/2011 4:08:02 AM
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Great job...awesome working. I'm so glad that U21 NT got you as their manager. All The Best

From: Johnson

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Date: 4/26/2011 6:45:59 AM
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I've never played it myself, but would a 1-3-1 zone be a viable option with so many guards and a lack of big men?

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Date: 4/26/2011 7:11:24 AM
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I'd think that using 1-3-1 zone is suicidal, especially for our team. 1-3-1 zone is a super perimeter defense and unless you have a super monster big-man, the opponents will just get too many offensive rebounds and go for easy lay-ups. Since we don't have strong big-men, I don't think there'll be a case where we'll use 1-3-1 zone.
Even with man to man, out perimeter defense is likely to be far better than our inside, and I guess the only case where we might use 3-2 zone is if the opponents had a very strong outside shooting and very low rebounding.

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Date: 4/26/2011 7:14:45 AM
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Great work!!
And I agree with this lineup. But one question, is SG Aanandakumar Ghosh overall little more balanced than PG/SG Dharmakeerti Kumar ?

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Date: 4/26/2011 9:58:51 AM
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Yes with the weakness of our big men I fear we will be forced to use man to man and the much loathed 2/3 zone and little else. Maybe a 3-2 if we come up against a team with similar issues to us.

Ghosh vs Kumar.
Kumar is an excellent player and in a fair appraisal is one of our top 6-8 players. But Ghosh is a much better scorer and beats him in JS, JR and IS so it really isn't close.

Gnanam is our best player by far and is best suited to PG so that one is clear.
Firosh is our best defender by far and a solid SF although in man to man sometimes we may play him at SG in defence to take the opponents best scorer.
At SG you really want the best scorer possible and Ghosh just is much better at that than Kumar.

Where Kumar could come in would be off the bench ahead of Peppin but once again that may depend on what we need for the specific game.

These debates are excellent. I have asked Niko about the private offsite forums so I can just display the players skills so we can debate them easily and freely.

Last edited by yodabig at 4/26/2011 10:03:06 AM

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182954.13 in reply to 182954.12
Date: 4/26/2011 10:07:46 AM
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All clearly understood sir :) I think our guards are one of the best ones we've ever had...if we had our big-men who are now 23/24, our team will be really good...but life isn't that easy.

The private offsite forums would be a great idea. We can understand the team much better that way. Hope that'll come soon :)

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Date: 4/26/2011 10:10:56 AM
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Me too! It would be great if it was before the enthusiasm reset so I could just cut and paste everyone's details.

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Date: 4/26/2011 5:25:39 PM
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I'd think that using 1-3-1 zone is suicidal, especially for our team. 1-3-1 zone is a super perimeter defense and unless you have a super monster big-man, the opponents will just get too many offensive rebounds and go for easy lay-ups. Since we don't have strong big-men, I don't think there'll be a case where we'll use 1-3-1 zone.
Even with man to man, out perimeter defense is likely to be far better than our inside, and I guess the only case where we might use 3-2 zone is if the opponents had a very strong outside shooting and very low rebounding.

If you miss something in ID and have strong OD, I agree that best defense is man, to put pressure at perimeter and limits damages (I did it for so long time with my team...).

1-3-1 is a desperate defense, to be used where there is no option and with what you called "super monster big man" (Shaq 15 years ago). 3-2 without two good internal defenders can be critical, although can be used under certain circumstances: for instance, if the two tall men have very high RB, they are statistically closer to the board and will catch more RB's even with a worse team bonus. However, your opponent should play outside offense (or you would be fouled out), and have no such a good circulation (or ball will come inside as knife into butter).

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