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From: jeorge9

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Date: 02/26/2020 08:55:30
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Being a foreign manager you entered a situation where you are at a natural disadvantage. How do you plan to sway the votes?

As the other managers have shared, the community is working on training up a core to be able to compete from 5-7 seasons from now. How do you think you can help us with that?

Last edited by jeorge9 at 02/26/2020 09:07:18

From: Tatamka

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Date: 02/26/2020 15:23:57
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We don't train anymore at age 28 except stam and ft's. My understanding of the current state is that we need to first establish a core of players first. Don't get me wrong, there are some great players out there individually but a core will generate more success long term and we can remain more competitive in the long run. Its like a flat tire that we keep patching up, instead of buying a new set of wheels. I hope you and the other candidates are up for it.

Well, it depends on cap. I've trained a NT player with 30, but usually is as you has told.

What is your idea (tsp wise) of Senior players in all positions?

Ufff, this question has many different possible answers depending on multiple cirumstances, for example combination of different players skills, tactics, ...

I prefer to speak about minimun skill levels in some position: for example, in PG and SG you must have an OD in 19-20. Can a PG/SG with OD 18 play in NT? Well, it depends on other skills, skills of his team-mates, the other team, tactics... but it's desirable an higher level.

(I think that your community must open a federation to speak about your players... Now many managers can know about your team. It's true that many top players are very similar but...)

I don't know if I have answered you. If not, let me to know.

From: Tatamka

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Date: 02/26/2020 15:36:15
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Being a foreign manager you entered a situation where you are at a natural disadvantage. How do you plan to sway the votes?

Yes, this is true. I'm here to offer my help, but I can't promise championships or golden future, mainly because I only would be the NT (I don't train the players, I don't responsible for their shape...).
I only can promise to work and to try my best. Is it enough? I don't know. You have the decision.

As the other managers have shared, the community is working on training up a core to be able to compete from 5-7 seasons from now. How do you think you can help us with that?

Colaborating with managers in their training plans, trying to arrise a balance between their teams and NT objectives (sometimes it isn't an easy work).
Seeing the volume of players, i would try to have 1 or 2 coaches helping me to follow better training evolution and managers needs (It would be perfect that one of you want to colaborate and so to ensure a continuity of this 5-7 seasons plan in the community).

From: Ob1

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Date: 02/26/2020 23:43:17
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As nt coach, you are responsible for who makes the team or not. Shapes are part of that responsibility. With constant communication for players who are playing too many minutes or are suddenly not active. I think a good coach needs to be accountable for it. I have had many Senior players play on my own team and its usually the better nt coaches who communicate expectations. The former nt coach of Ceska rep never sent me a message even if my player had great gs majority of the time. Not even a thank you.

Sadly, i think i have had more than 20 Senior players including my former team from various countries. Only 1 of them sent me a pm. Here in my country, we send pm's to almost everybody. to train or to sell. My countrymen are spoiled sob's. The Senior coaches in general don't work as hard as u21 coaches. This is more work than fun.

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Date: 02/27/2020 00:27:12
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As nt coach, you are responsible for who makes the team or not. Shapes are part of that responsibility. With constant communication for players who are playing too many minutes or are suddenly not active. I think a good coach needs to be accountable for it. I have had many Senior players play on my own team and its usually the better nt coaches who communicate expectations. The former nt coach of Ceska rep never sent me a message even if my player had great gs majority of the time. Not even a thank you.

Yes, you has told it perfectly. As Senior NT Manager you must send a lot of bb-mails trying to help managers and taking care of the NT player evolution and shape.
And if some player plays a lot of minutes for several weeks, you must decide the best time to kick him out of the team.

Sadly, i think i have had more than 20 Senior players including my former team from various countries. Only 1 of them sent me a pm. Here in my country, we send pm's to almost everybody. to train or to sell. My countrymen are spoiled sob's. The Senior coaches in general don't work as hard as u21 coaches. This is more work than fun.

Totally agree.

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Date: 02/27/2020 08:16:19
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I would love to help this team to the best of my abilities and my ability to be unpredictable, especially in terms of strategies used.

If this team is on a rebuild, then I don't mind. Why? This will mold me further into a great NT coach my fellow Filipinos desire.

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Date: 02/27/2020 08:50:48
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Wow! Good to see some competition in the elections! LOL!

Any question to each other guys? I would love to see some debate in here. 😁

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From: Ob1

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For both candidates, give me a training plan for my draftee to make it to Seniors. How would you build it, what position will be his best chance to make Seniors? How much tsp will he end up with? What level of trainer would he need? How long will training take? These are the questions you will mostly encounter when you mentor a newbie just want to know your thought process. This will be my one and only question.

Jump Shot: 7 Jump Range: 1
Outside Def.: 1 Handling: 1
Driving: 7 Passing: 1
Inside Shot: 1 Inside Def.: 7
Rebounding: 7 Shot Blocking: 7
Stamina 7 Ft 7

Height: 6'6 tsp 40 tsp Age 18 (potential mvp)






From: Tatamka

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For both candidates, give me a training plan for my draftee to make it to Seniors. How would you build it, what position will be his best chance to make Seniors? How much tsp will he end up with? What level of trainer would he need? How long will training take? These are the questions you will mostly encounter when you mentor a newbie just want to know your thought process. This will be my one and only question.

Jump Shot: 7 Jump Range: 1
Outside Def.: 1 Handling: 1
Driving: 7 Passing: 1
Inside Shot: 1 Inside Def.: 7
Rebounding: 7 Shot Blocking: 7
Stamina 7 Ft 7

Height: 6'6 tsp 40 tsp Age 18 (potential mvp)

I hope the future don't depend on this player
With this skill set and this potential, I think that the decision of the manager should be to train a PG or a SF. My recomendation would be SF (but I would say to the coach that It's not sure that he can enter the NT, for example depending on potential sub-level).

I have simulated a training plan till he has 30 years old, and he could be an inner SF with TSP = 134 more or less and would be somethin like this (but I think that you could make a different player depending on manager's opinion)

14 - 8
17 - 12
18 - 11
18 - 16
11 - 8

As I told in other post depending on the other NT players this plan could change, but I think this is one option but not necessary the best one.

From: BigBeardy

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For both candidates, give me a training plan for my draftee to make it to Seniors. How would you build it, what position will be his best chance to make Seniors? How much tsp will he end up with? What level of trainer would he need? How long will training take? These are the questions you will mostly encounter when you mentor a newbie just want to know your thought process. This will be my one and only question.

Jump Shot: 7 Jump Range: 1
Outside Def.: 1 Handling: 1
Driving: 7 Passing: 1
Inside Shot: 1 Inside Def.: 7
Rebounding: 7 Shot Blocking: 7
Stamina 7 Ft 7

Height: 6'6 tsp 40 tsp Age 18 (potential mvp)







I think I will mold him to a SF/SG role. He'll be like a 3 & D guy in today's NBA that's capable of playing the small-ball 4 spot. Let's say a Robert Covington type of a build.

I would have the newbie buy an advanced-superior trainer that's cheap enough for him to train the 18 y/o with a youth trainer as well. If he has enough money, then a gym would be useful, too!

I think he'll end up with 120-130 tsp if the manager takes care of the player without being spiked by the capacity of training the player has. I'll have the GM train OD first, then his IS to both reach at least 7-10 by season's end if possible. By season's end, it's possible that the player may reach 60-70 TSP, depending on the training the player has.

Age 19: Passing, handling, and JR to reach at least 5-7 until season's end for passing and JR, but for handling should be at least 7-10. Passing and outside shooting training for this season

Age 20: OD, ID, and JS (OD = 12-14), (ID = 9-12), JS (12-14) at season's end. One on one training, ID training and OD training for this season.

Age 21: During these times, the player should have:

JS(12-14) JR(5-7)
OD(12-14) Handling(7-10)
DR(9-12) Passing(5-7)
IS(7-10) ID(9-12)
Reb(7-9) SB(7-8)
Sta (5-7) FT (7)

TSP: 80-103(If this is possible, and 103's really far-fetched), but I think 80-90 is enough for U21

Age 22-23: I will continue the defense training until OD gets 16-18(Better if max, and if not yet capped, the better) and ID 13-15(Better if 16 and above, and if not yet capped, the better), same time the Reb should be at least 10 now

Age 24 and beyond is where the offense goes in and the GM has the freedom in the world to train JS, JR, and IS. Driving and handling should be affected, too. I don't think passing is really a need, handling's more important than passing for me. It is possible for this player to reach 120-130 TSP with proper training and great strategy in building the player.

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