BuzzerBeater Forums

MrJ wrote:

League Leaders (Top 5) / HGL Season 5 / Round 2[...]

Some revealing information for those who are looking...

Wagner wrote:

By the way, just out of interest, if and as it seems you'll be publishing these all Season long (instead of once at the end of RS), have you already decided what kind of "cutter" are you going to use, as for qualifying to the list at a given time during Season (enough matches played in order to be qualified)?

I can't recall exactly what was for instance NBA's stats policy when I viewed those at the end side of current NBA RS (of course I don't mean you'd need to follow that, but mentioned just as an example) for qualifying to stats, but if my memory serves me it was somewhere around 55-65% mark...

EDIT:
Memory doesn't always serve well: apparently in NBA it's minimum of 70% of all matches.

Apparently in Euroleague for example, this data is not public (what's the minimum requirement).

In NCAA basketball this seems to be bit more complex, but if we only take a look at an option of minimum amount of matches played, it would appear to be minimum of 75%. (Having said that, there seems to be certain exception to this rule, so called projection rule).

In ACB (Spain), BBL (Germany), LBA (Italy) and VTB United League (East Europe) the limit as far as I know is not public, but apparently is somewhere around the lines of 50-60% of matches.

In NBL (Australia) seemingly limit is min. 50% of matches, or projection rule (like in NCAA).

So these limits apply to average-statistic categories such as PTS, REB, AST, STL, BLK.


As for qualifying to shooting percentage statistics (which isn't essential in this case as you don't publish those), different limits (minimum shot attempt-amounts) seems to be applied at least in Finnish Korisliiga (but as far as I understood, practically all over Europe), which would seemingly be about 100 FGA, 50 3P FGA or 50 FTA (per 32 matches).

Sorry if there are mistakes in these - just a result of quick search.

MrJ wrote:

I did not use a set percentage in Season 4 when compiling the stats and, having just had a quick look through, those League Leaders all play almost every game.

This season and going forward, so that everyone knows what that line is, I will make it this: For a player to be eligible to be awarded a League Leader award, they must have played in 12 of the 17 games. This equates to 70.59% of games. I think this is fair. Therefore, to be clear, if a player only plays 11 games for the season, they cannot qualify for a League Leader award.

I will add this information to the Round 3 Update being posted today...as well as other relevant information.

Thanks for clarifying this, and yes, it's definitely fair (amount/decision) I think.
Plus, it's certainly excellent to know already beforehand what's the limit.

Not that I'd have any real opportunities to be at the top position on any of the categories, but there's still possibility to get to the Top20-lists at the end of the Season.

Does this limit of yours also apply to some potential/possible special awards (in potentially restricting manner), or 'only' to typical stats categories?

Thanks, Wagner.

In hindsight, I think I will just do the Top 3 in each category each week. It will allow more characters in a post too so I can make any necessary comments (while reducing my workload minutely). I have been quite unwell for a week, so just getting back into it.

And yes, too early to see who our LLs will be...but some interesting observations already.

Your stats, your call, MrJ. Whatever makes it manageable enough for you (and reduces your workload to decent/doable) is probably a good decision in terms of longevity (you being able to keep on doing the work, without it interfering your real life too much).

The only downside is that then people don't know if their player would be, say, 5th or 8th on the list, and if they should try to play him maximum minutes in order to get better stats ranking at the end of the Season in given stats category... Now that I see Kaleva being second on Dennis Rodman award-table, I guess I'll have to give him an extra bonus clause to his contract: +$100 for every HGL offensive rebound after his 5th OR on the match, for the rest of the Season... It might prove to be costly for my team, but hey, what wouldn't you do for DR reward? ;)

But as you probably understood, while that note remains "realistic", it takes nothing away from what I just said - whatever choices you want/need to make in order to be able to keep on publishing these player stats (including if you want/need to release them with lesser frequency than after each Round, should that considerably lessen your workload, etc.), are good choices.

So many of us (I'd like to believe) enjoy stats and find them very interesting, so we're happy to be able to get access to them - so thank you (already partially beforehand).


That's too bad to hear.. I hope you'll feel better again in no time!

Last edited by Wagner at 5/13/2026 7:03:01 AM

Having said that, if but 3 of you really wanted a Top 5...I would make it happen. ;-)

When I started playing BB in 2007 (this is my second team, I quit and came back later) I tracked my training pops on real paper :D

So I understand and appreciate enthusiasm, do as you feel like, it's all a bonus for us. I for one am thankful for every extra thing people do out of sheer love for the game, so be it 3 or 5 per week, that's up to you. Keep up the good work!

LOL Yes, I know! It is very hard to track that award on a weekly basis! It will definitely be awarded at the end of the season. Maybe that guy {can't remember his name} might win it back-to-back!? :-)

I'll tell him to be ready for the Seasonal Award Night ;)

LOL Yes, I know! It is very hard to track that award on a weekly basis! It will definitely be awarded at the end of the season. Maybe that guy {can't remember his name} might win it back-to-back!? :-)

I'll tell him to be ready for the Seasonal Award Night ;)

Ahem... In addition to preparing him for the gala;
I wonder how is Esnard (73yo) vs. Rimpiläinen (80yo) competition going on currently, for the the Gentleman-player of HGL-award (or would Senior Gentleman-player of the league be more appropriate title)? ;)

Of course, Mr. Mönkö (also 80yo) and Mr. Svarvar (74yo) are also interested in such award!
Rimpiläinen is just warming up, as he played only less than a minute in a HGL Season opener against LMS... :D

@MrJ:
PS. Do you count everybody still having not played in a single HGL match before as "Debutants" (in your player stats-posts), or is there an age limit for that? I don't think Mönkö or Svarvar have still played in HGL so far, so we'll see if that would change... ;P

Last edited by Wagner at 5/14/2026 5:06:33 AM

MrJ wrote:

Having said that, if but 3 of you really wanted a Top 5...I would make it happen. ;-)

Pihija wrote:

When I started playing BB in 2007 (this is my second team, I quit and came back later) I tracked my training pops on real paper :D

So I understand and appreciate enthusiasm, do as you feel like, it's all a bonus for us. I for one am thankful for every extra thing people do out of sheer love for the game, so be it 3 or 5 per week, that's up to you. Keep up the good work!

@Pihija&MrJ:
Real paper - that's the spirit! ;)

@MrJ:
Like Pihija wrote, it's all bonus for us and we're thankful of all contributions - this is very welcome addition, and as for other very visible contributions, let's not ever forget LA-LennuK.'s Round to Round best perfomers-stats. :)

If top5 is doable for you, MrJ, with almost the same effort, then yes, I wouldn't mind at all to see that, but I think it's way more important decisive factor (in terms of whether to choose, say, top3 or top5) to keep the amount of work needed at somewhat reasonable levels (as that already sounds like a lot of work per Round).

So like Pihija (and myself earlier) wrote, it's totally up to you. And needless to say, of course I understand your decision on this (in all aspects of publishing of player stats) what ever you end up choosing..

Last edited by Wagner at 5/14/2026 5:01:55 AM