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Hei Wagner, as my weekend is not too busy, I would be willing to wait until tomorrow around midday, I would say. But if he hasn't logged in by then, then the chances of that happening before 15:30 are quote slim anyway. So I would check situation around midday tomorrow, I've done preliminary scouting, so setting a lineup would be quickly done if my challenge is accepted.

Tere and thanks for your reply, LennuK.
If this had to happen with someone, I'm "glad" it happened with a very communicative (and quickly replying) manager such as yourself. (It could also be the case that I couldn't reach either one, and that deadlines would've been passed, yet match still wouldn't have started - another problematic scenario, which we haven't truly gotten ourselves into yet).

Yes, we are so much past the typically accepted match acceptance window (stated in HGL rules), that midday on Sunday (EET, DST) sounds more than decent to me and in fact also very fair towards HB, so as per your request/suggestion, let's keep that as a forfeit deadline for this EOS-HB Season 5 First Round Playoff match.

I don't know if I can visit BB at midday or not, so yes, it would be ideal if you happen to be able to login around those times and report about situation with HB's PU match acceptance.

I have already warned Spela (HB) earlier, that he ought to accept that match (also partly due to remembering there has been almost similar situation in one of the earlier Seasons, but then he was able to dodge the forfeit-bullet), so absolutely no point of sending another warning, as he hasn't even read the first one.

I also asked him (once again) to vote (when first time reminding of need to organize First Round Playoff match), and after doing both those to correct his teams' box score post which is also missing 2 opponents altogether and all the scores of the Season 5, but on his login at 21st of June he didn't do any of those two tasks. If my memory serves me, Playoff First Round schedule had not yet been published at June 21st anyway.

He might be busy or something (we never know what's happening in one's life - there could be much more important things going on causing this), but as mentioned, forfeiting especially Playoff matches is very awkward and lame from the "inside perspective", as it initially gives a message outside, that reaching a place in Playoffs is worth nothing, not even worth login and four "cliks" in Buzzerbeater (that it takes to accept a PU match invitation)...

EDIT June 28th at 2PM EET DST:
Hårdboll (HB) has been handed a forfeit loss on this Season 5 First Round Playoff match vs. BC Eos (EOS), due to not accepting match invitation within a required time window (so that their opponent would also have enough time to set up their lineups for the match).

Last edited by Wagner at 6/28/2026 7:12:15 AM

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Wagner wrote:
Yes, we are so much past the typically accepted match acceptance window (stated in HGL rules), that midday on Sunday (EET, DST) sounds more than decent to me and in fact also very fair towards HB, so as per your request/suggestion, let's keep that as a forfeit deadline for this EOS-HB Season 5 First Round Playoff match.
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Hårdboll (HB; Spela) has not still logged in, as everyone can see for themselves if they so wish to (here: (26577)), and we've gone past the previously mentioned match forfeit deadline.

Therefore, First Round Playoff match EOS vs. HB on Season 5 will become a 50-0 forfeit win to BC Eos (EOS), and 0-50 forfeit loss to Hårdboll (HB).

Yes, unfortunately still no login, so sadly, no game for me today. You would've been the next in line in the league table Wagner, we might make a spontaneous new PO matchup

Last edited by LA-LennuK at 6/28/2026 7:30:31 AM

As far as situation with Club Trouville (TRO) goes, while it's perhaps not a great interest to some of us (as he's already out from this and next HGL Season to the very least due to Level 5 penalty), I'd just like to note that I still haven't heard anything from him.

However, his roster now includes 7 players, of which only 1 has originally been drafted by him, so it doesn't seem likely that he'd be attempting a re-entry to HGL (for Season 8, through HGL-PL played on Season 7) after his S5+6 penalty would have ended.

This is purely speculation at best though, as I haven't heard anything of him.

Last edited by Wagner at 6/28/2026 7:30:39 AM

Unfortunately, I would interpret it as if he had no interest in the HGL anymore. It's sad to see one of the original managers playing from S1 to go in such a manner. When someone is not up for the HGL for whatever reason, then the least one could do ist just communicate it to us. We have had a couple of managers leaving HGL after clearly communicating it, with at least one manager who has returned since. This lack of communication has certainly done some damage, should TRO potentially want to join HGL again sometime in the future.

Last edited by LA-LennuK at 6/28/2026 7:37:36 AM

Unfortunately, I would interpret it as if he had no interest in the HGL anymore. It's sad to see one of the original managers playing from S1 to go in such a manner. When someone is not up for the HGL for whatever reason, then the least one could do ist just communicate it to us. We have had a couple of managers leaving HGL after clearly communicating it, with at least one manager who has returned since. This lack of communication has certainly done some damage, should TRO potentially want to join HGL again sometime in the future.

I agree with all you said, these were good points.

It's always better to be communicative about one's depart/leaving HGL, than to just "ghost themselves out of HGL", like you said. It takes no more effort than writing 1-2 sentences, if one chooses to "go minimal" in their apporoach/announcement. If that's too much to ask, then I don't know what to say anymore.

"Departing" HGL that way surely does some damage, like you mentioned. While with current rules it doesn't close doors from HGL for them for good, for instance now that I just recently contacted some teams (as mentioned in another posts), I didn't contact teams that had been previously playing in HGL, even if they would've nicely fitted into this 100-200K top8-salary range (a range, that "honors" team that have been waiting for quite long to be able to participate to HGL-PL and is currently at sub-200K salary levels, keeping in mind that there's likely only 1 place on offer to HGL through HGL-PL this time around).

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't have accepted them to HGL-PL if they would've (or still would) contact me about HGL-PL participation, but each of them have had their reasons exiting HGL or being kicked out of HGL, so I wanted to let them do the initiative if they feel like they'd be willing to take another shot at HGL.


I hope this same (fading/ghosting out of HGL) isn't true with HB though, as like we've seen, he hasn't been communicating recently at all (despite multiple BBMails and requests sent to him on HGL Threads) and has been logging in only very few times; if my memory serves me it was about June 10th/11th or something like that, and then next time was June 21st, and he hasn't logged in since).

Last edited by Wagner at 6/28/2026 7:54:21 AM

It's quite surprising to see not 1 but 2 HGL teams depart (or in Hadboll's case - awol) in such a manner.

On a positive note, Wagner, your detailed efforts in creating and communicating the rules has allowed you to act quickly, and for those of us not involved, see your hard work more clearly. Rule breaks will never be a positive thing, but i am glad you are prepared for them.

@ LennuK. Sorry you didn't your game, mate. Onto the next round though...

I wish I could be surprised, but we've in fact had so many surprising departs throughout these 5 Seasons, that almost nothing catches me by surprise anymore. I'd like to remind, that Season 4 has - if my memory serves me correctly - been the only Season after which there hasn't been changes in HGL team composition.

Why I personally don't feel 100% surprised these kind of things take place, of course I'm very disappointed on such exits from HGL.

It is true that it partly now pays off that some problematic scenarios have already been noted (and penalties set for them) in HGL rules, yet of course certain problems/challenges will always remain as we don't have the complete control of the platform, in other words BB (we don't have an access to non-public BB information, in other words we can't "see under the hood" so to speak, for example in terms of being to see which actions managers have taken when they've logged in order to be able to verify if one has or hasn't done some specific action they're supposed to do, etc.).

As far as HB's situation is concerned, I sent him another BBMail about forfeit loss and request to reply immediately about whether or not he's still committed to participate to Season 6 - we can't have non-communicative managers in HGL especially during pre-season, when matches are being organized.

Last edited by Wagner at 6/28/2026 9:06:58 AM

Wagner wrote:
[...]we can't have non-communicative managers in HGL especially during pre-season, when matches are being organized.

MrJ wrote:
I agree. The pickup style of our league demands that communication have greater importance than anywhere else in BB.

Exactly. We would have similar problems during RS too, if matches wouldn't have been organized in one go. It's a good practice also in that sense, that it takes some pressure away (and saves some time) for everyone, but on Playoffs and during pre-season there's no room for being non-communicative, or at the very least not taking care of the tasks that are demanded from one's team. Yes, communication platform in BB is very archaic, but it is what it is and we've all seen things can be done by using it.

Also, often times it's been the case that teams that have quit communication have not ended fulfilling their duties, so while of course it's more important to fulfill your duties than communicate (should there be a situation where for some reason one wouldn't have time for both), there will surely be problematic situations in future as well, so I think it's decent enough to demand/require at least some level of communication as well with regards to replying to important requests by HGL/questions from HGL.

Stats by country regular season 4

Rank_Cty___NoT_GP___W____L___PF/G___PA/G___PD/G___WLR
01____SVK____1___045___043___02___112.5____086.5____+26.0____0.956
02____ARG____1___015___014___01___117.5____080.9____+36.7____0.933
03____POL____1___062___049___13___108.2____096.4____+11.8____0.790
04____BIH____1___047___034___13___096.4____083.4____+13.0____0.723
05____LTU____1___032___020___12___106.9____101.7____+05.3____0.625
06____SWE____1___047___027___20___097.7____096.1____+01.5____0.574
07____ITA____2___094___052___42___090.1____086.0____+04.0____0.553
08____FRA____4___203___112___91___102.5____097.4____+05.2____0.552
09____LVA____1___062___028___34___102.5____102.7____-00.2____0.452
10____FIN____3___124___054___70___097.7____100.9____-03.1____0.435
11____EST____2___064___025___39___104.0____106.9____-02.8____0.391
12____ESP____1___062___022___40___090.7____094.3____-03.6____0.355
13____AUS____2___062___014___48___086.4____113.6____-27.2____0.226
14____USA____3___045___008___37___085.3____111.5____-26.2____0.178
15____URY____1___062___010___52___088.9____105.9____-17.0____0.161

Here are the updated stats by countries after the regular season 5.

Rank_Cty___NoT_GP___W____L____PF/G___PA/G___PD/G___WLR
01____SVK____1___045___043___002___112.5____086.5____+26.0____0.956
02____ARG____1___015___014___001___117.5____080.9____+36.7____0.933
03____POL____1___079___064___015___108.8____095.8____+12.9____0.810
04____BIH____1___064___048___016___100.1____085.6____+14.5____0.750
05____LTU____1___049___034___015___106.7____098.8____+07.9____0.694
06____FRA____4___271___154___117___103.2____098.0____+05.1____0.568
07____ITA____2___128___070___058___090.6____087.3____+03.3____0.547
08____LVA____1___079___041___038___106.7____103.5____+03.2____0.519
09____SWE____1___064___033___031___098.0____98.1____-00.1____0.516
10____EST____2___098___042___056___103.6____104.1____-00.5____0.429
11____FIN____3___158___059___099___097.1____104.8____-07.7____0.373
12____ESP____1___079___029___050___092.2____095.0____-02.8____0.367
13____AUS____2___079___015___064___088.5____113.9____-25.4____0.190
14____USA____3___045___008___037___085.3____111.5____-26.2____0.178
15____URY____1___079___012___067___089.7____107.9____-18.2____0.152

Cty=Country, NoT=Number of distinct teams, GP=Games played, W=Wins, L=Losses, PF/G=Points scored for per game, PA/G=Points scored against per game, PD/G=Scoring difference per game, WLR=Win-Loss-Ratio

Countries in italic font have currently no active teams in HGL.


If you are interested, I am keeping a similar table for the PO rounds too. Also, I am keeping track of the all-time table of HGL by individual teams, both for RS and PO rounds. If you are interested, I can also share this information with you.

Last edited by LA-LennuK at 6/28/2026 12:24:02 PM