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I have one player who trained elsewhere for 2 seasons.

I have ONE and he is right now 71 years-old. His salary is 226 $
(historically, I sold him around 32 at 110 000 $ of salary and took him back 4 seasons later with a salary of 60 000 if my memory's still effective.
He's not playing anymore for 30 seasons.

My suggestion was clearly an idea, but I don't know how many teams are making trades and how many aren't.

I have a question: how many teams in HGL have at least one re-signed player on their roster and how many don't?

You´d get an idea what was the situation on Season 2, when you take a look at these posts:
Compilation-post for Season 2 (327516.67)
Actual salary benefit-post for Season 2 (327516.4)

As one can see, for example only total salary benefit value for that season would be used to rate teams to either trading and non-trading teams (which would likely be closest to fair compromise in such classification system), it could be easily manipulated to your benefit if one has sold a player on his prime and then buys him back (you can see a good example of this in the case of Elan Demars; I do not try to suggest demars had this purpose when he bought back his player, but it's a good example of what means some could use to manipulate that value to get to "parallel organic Playoffs").

On the other hand, if only currently benefiting transfers, in other words transfers which has a plus value before them, would count (when estimating if team currently receives salary benefit), then we would eliminate that possibility for manipulation (even if transfer wouldn't have been made for the purpose of manipulating that value).

In that case, every team that has any player in their roster that benefits them, compared to the moment of when he was first sold, would be on that list/would be noted having a plus value on salary benefit comparison (even if they´d have previously purchased players that lower the total salary benefit value significantly; see Elan Demars's example above).

However, using salary benefit number for purpose of parallel Playoffs has many ´what if's´, such as at which given time should that number be recorded/used, or that should it be used multiple times per season, such as prior to season start, and prior to playoffs to ensure not "unjust" changes have occurred, in terms of being eligible to "organic playoffs".

Again, for me personally, the concept of parallel Playoffs remain a bit confusing and it does have another challenges as well as I tried to point out in previous post - separate leagues would work on paper, but as we can see, there are not that many trading teams (exept that there are some more when Season 3 is concerned, but not like 50% of teams receive salary benefit.
It is also worth noting, that salary benefit post is not an automatically updated list, and while I find this information very interesting and am looking forward to finding time to update it for Season 3 as well - please someone remind me if it looks like Season 3 salary benefit post hasn't been made by me before new player salaries will update- it's still something I've had to shovel further down on my to do-list as it's quite arduous process which in practice takes quite long to finalize given the large amount of transferred players).

@all HGL managers:

Starting from now, please inform me on official threads or by BBMail of any changes that take place in your roster, especially if it is one of the players in your salary Top8 (but it's a good practice to do it in every case).
Please note that others won't be able to see data on players that you have fired.

Following this procedure benefits me (and all others). It does make certain team Top8-salary calculations, transfer post updates (note: I do also add fired players-information there; if you don't provide that, I don't have chance to keep updating it correctly), team Top8 sarary changes during season-following, and some duties concerning roster check more straightforward for me if I have all the information at hand.

Last edited by Wagner at 1/10/2026 5:01:47 AM

Season 2 and 3 transfers-post is now published, here: (328546.14).

Season 4 preparations will begin (very) soon, so all, stay tuned and please be prepared to arrange all your Season 4 Regular Season matches before HGL Season starts on January 26th.

It will be very likely that we'll be able to add a 17th team to our team roster for Season 4, but I'll have to verify couple of things with LennuK. who has kindly created a schedule for us.

This would mean that:
- we would play 3 Regular Season matches per one week (most likely on game week 2)
- on each game day, one of our 17 teams would be given "bye", meaning that they don't play on that day, because we would have an uneven number of teams playing each RS Round.

As for HGL Season 4 preparations, as mentioned, please be ready to act soon (arrange matches and reply to my and other HGL managers' requests).
As usual, let's do that on newly established Official Threads (as soon as I'll publish Season 4 Threads).

Again, as usual, please allow me to create about 15 first posts on both Official Threads (main and scores) before you start replying on those Threads.


Last edited by Wagner at 1/11/2026 7:01:56 AM

@all HGL managers:
As mentioned, LennuK. helped to create a new schedule for 17 teams, using AI to create that.
He has told me he has checked/verified it, that matchups should be fine on each Regular Season Round.

There is plenty of work in establishing a new season and finishing some Season 3 related tasks, so personally I don't think I have time to verify it myself.
LennuK., as far as I've seen it, has been very helpful and thorough in his approach in subjects he has been helping out, so while I don't have much trust on AI on important subjects (yes, 100% correct schedule is very important for league), I tend to trust LennuK.

However, as I don't have time to double-verify it, it is possible for me to send Season 4 schedule (randomly created by LennuK.'s AI prompt) to this thread, so that someone can take a look at it with another pair of eyes so that everything is fine with it (?), such as:
- every team has 16 matches and face each other correctly during each round exept for one team per round, and that
- no duplicate matches (facing one opponent two times) or missing matches (some team apart from "bye-team" of the round doesn't play on that round) exist during whole Regular Season, or that
- bye-teams are correct (again, no duplicates/missing teams per season),
- etc.?

Having said this doesn't mean I wouldn't trust LennuK. or expect that there would be errors - it's rather due to a surprisingly deeply rooted suspicion towards trustworthiness of AI (due to recent attempts to utilize it - possibly I'm not especially good at using prompts then..), and attempt to be on the safe side, because for instance while I consider being careful and thorough in many aspects, I have spotted many small errors in my messages throughout the seasons (after getting back to them later on).

Also, I guess some of us are more experienced with playing around with these schedule issues - me, not so much, so I'm thankful of any help I have received (and will receive). :)

Another, fine option is, that we simply use this schedule. As mentioned, LennuK. has appeared to me as a careful and thorough person, so I´d have a high level of trust that he has managed to spot any errors AI had possibly left in that schedule..

EDIT:
New schedule also doesn't have any Pickup match challenge responsibilities marked on it, and as it's totally shuffled from last seasons, it's not possible to reuse/transfer last seasons challenge responsibility-data easily from Season 3 schedule.

I have contacted LennuK. about this to see if he has time to add those markings to the schedule, or that shall I do it.

I don't have exact amount of challenges used per team-data from previous seasons (apart from couple of exeptions), so that's another layer of work that's still waiting before new schedule can be published.

Having said that, I can send that afore mentioned Season 4 schedule here without those bolded names, if someone wants to take a second look at it.


Last edited by Wagner at 1/11/2026 8:43:41 AM

Hello Wagner,

i think that 3 games / week is too much. In the 7 first weeks of the seasons we all have cup/friendly + BBM games + 2 League Games + 2 HGL games.

We could change almost nothing but :
- 2 games /week
- first week of PO : playing the 17th game AND Pre-PO game the same week
- then, as usual for 1/4, 1/2 and Final, 1 game/week.

What do you thing about it ?

Hello Wagner,

i think that 3 games / week is too much. In the 7 first weeks of the seasons we all have cup/friendly + BBM games + 2 League Games + 2 HGL games.

We could change almost nothing but :
- 2 games /week
- first week of PO : playing the 17th game AND Pre-PO game the same week
- then, as usual for 1/4, 1/2 and Final, 1 game/week.

What do you thing about it ?

Bonjour demars,
There would be 3 matches in only one week, so there's not much to worry.

And it wouldn't overlap our other games, because I purposely planned it on Sunday (to not have any potential problems with overlapping with Wednesdays' BBM matches). I really wanted to reserve Sundays only for Playoffs, but it seems that's the only day left with no other BB matches, and it's already established HGL game day of the week, so hence that selection (instead of Wednesday, for instance).

(As a one feedback, I have heard that manager thought one HGL game per week would be enough, but on the other hand we've had other opinions on this, stating that to them it's only positive there are more than 1 match per week).

This is how schedule would look like with this arrangement, please correct me if there are clear mistakes present:

RS Round 1: Monday, January 26th, 2026
RS Round 2: Friday, January 30th, 2026
RS Round 3: Monday, February 2nd, 2026

RS Round 4: Friday, February 6th, 2026
RS Round 5: Sunday, February 8th, 2026
RS Round 6: Monday, February 9th, 2026

RS Round 7: Friday, February 13th, 2026
RS Round 8: Monday, February 16th, 2026
RS Round 9: Friday, February 20th, 2026

RS Round 10: Monday, February 23rd, 2026
RS Round 11: Friday, February 27th, 2026
RS Round 12: Monday, March 2nd, 2026

RS Round 13: Friday, March 6th, 2026
RS Round 14: Monday, March 9th, 2026
RS Round 15: Friday, March 13th, 2026

RS Round 16: Monday, March 16th, 2026


PO Round 1 (teams ranked 5th-12th; 8 play): Sunday, March 22nd, 2026
PO Round 2 (quarter-finals; 8 teams play): Sunday, March 29th, 2026
PO Round 3 (semifinals; 4 teams play): Sunday, April 5th, 2026
PO Round 4 (final and a bronze match; 4 teams play): Sunday, April 12th, 2026

***
So as we can see, typically last match of RS is played on Monday, which is the case also with this kind of schedule.

This leaves just enough time for Playoff match organizing, especially as it is required that ORSR-rankings are calculated before Playoff matchups can be determined.

We have seen in many instances, that even 6 days is sometimes tight schedule for organizing Playoff match, so I wouldn't reserve any less time for organizing a Round of Playoff matches, as we remember that there have been delays in the past (and one match has even been forfeited due to that).

But I'm not sure if I understood you correctly, because we are playing "playing the 17th game AND Pre-PO game the same week", as you mentioned, with this setup.

Did you meant that on Monday would be 16th and on Friday 17th game and then on Sundays' first Playoff Round (which would become the case if we would only have 2 matches per week during RS and wouldn't want to lengthen the season, right?)?

That would be way too short time to arrange Playoff matches I think, which I say from experience.. so the season would be lengthened by 1 week, if waiting time for First PO Round would be 9 days.

But if more teams will be added later on, lenghtening issue comes to a point where we can't tackle it anymore - I wouldn't prefer season to be lengthened anymore from this, if possible (but personally I think adding 3rd game to some weeks is ok until certain extent, to allow more teams to join, because I suppose sometimes you have to choose from two not totally optimal choices with pros and cons).


Last edited by Wagner at 1/11/2026 9:47:00 AM

I have ONE and he is right now 71 years-old. His salary is 226 $
(historically, I sold him around 32 at 110 000 $ of salary and took him back 4 seasons later with a salary of 60 000 if my memory's still effective.
He's not playing anymore for 30 seasons.

He needs to start warming up, as I received a request from my two oldies but goldies, mr. Rimpiläinen and Mönkö - both 78 years old - that they want to face Esnard on next season. xD Why do I recommend warming up? Mönkö in his first match of this (regular BB) season played 3 minutes, and got immediately an infection of back and was out for 14 days. It's tough to jump straight to a hardwood from a rocking chair, they say. :)

It'd be easy to implement, we can agree that we play them on, for instance, SF position (to make as less harm for the other teammates as possible?), do not set them highly skilled substitutes, and other than that, play our optimal lineup... It's a good offer, I have one substitute (Mönkö from bench), but you have a 7 years age advantage :D

Last edited by Wagner at 1/11/2026 10:17:55 AM

I made a mistake abiout this 17th game. I wanted to talk about the 16th (and last, if we are 17), but it takes 17 days...

I also misread your first post. Consider that your schedule is right :)

I made a mistake abiout this 17th game. I wanted to talk about the 16th (and last, if we are 17), but it takes 17 days...

I also misread your first post. Consider that your schedule is right :)

Thanks for a quick response and checking those days!

Yes, I think these days would set up correctly, but nobody (in addition to LennuK.) has yet viewed the actual match schedule, which I have here (as he sent it to me).

Do any of you guys have a foolproof and easy and quick (yes, a lot to ask) manual method which you could use to check/verify league schedule for correctness?
And does someone want to take a look at it?

If so, please let me know and I can post it on this Season 3 Thread.

My suggestion was clearly an idea, but I don't know how many teams are making trades and how many aren't.

I have a question: how many teams in HGL have at least one re-signed player on their roster and how many don't?

Now that the season 2 and 3 transfer post got published, it should give all of us better overview of that situation: (328546.14).

However, changed salary values for Season 3 (for teams trading), and Season 3 salary benefit post still haven't been corrected and published, respectively.
It would be important to get it done during this season, when it's still easier process and doesn't require reconstructing teams top8 etc., so I'd have to try to find time for that too.

But once again, does anyone want to re-check the newly AI built (and LennuK. verified) schedule (not the days I already sent, but the actual schedule with team abbreviations) for 17 teams?

Or perhaps not, meaning that we should just proceed ASAP and trust it's 100% correct?

Last edited by Wagner at 1/11/2026 12:44:24 PM