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About HGL-PL participation-situation:

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I'd expect at least 1-3 replies out of those 5 teams though, if I'll/I'd still keep the application period to HGL-PL open for a short while.

More time might be needed then, Wagner.

Yes. We are not in a terrible rush of starting HGL-PL, and M.L.S. REICH also needs a bit of time to read through HGL posts (essential reading provided to them) in order to be able to decide whether or not they're willing to participate.

I just edited that post what you replied into, as I received third "no" from one of 8 managers, so that makes 4/8 replies currently.

Having said that, we don't want to delay start of HGL-PL too late either, so let's wait for a bit longer if some of those 4 responds, or if someone replies based on posts on Homegrown teams II-thread.

Firstly, I would like to say that your responses to my questions were professional and with respect and, as such, demand mine. This is why you are the Commissioner, Wagner. You are able to balance the myriad of intricacies required for your position as Commissioner.

Secondly, and as a result of your excellent responses, I would like to apologise. I could have done this via bbmail, but it deserves to be said in front of our peers.

And, although I was asking the questions rather than accusing you outright, I did walk that fine line between the two.

My respect for you has only increased.

Finally, yes, you and I may always have disagreements, however, as we have said often, it doesn't change our friendship. Well, it hasn't from my end and I hope it doesn't from yours.

As for the HGL-PL...

...let's see how it plays out.

Thank you for your considerate message and kind words, MrJ.
I can always learn for example condensing things/writings from you, and as there's not much more that'd need to be said (in addition to what you already mentioned in your reply), I'll keep it short this time. (Who guessed I even could produce this short messages?;)

Last edited by Wagner at 6/25/2026 7:29:49 AM

LOL We all learn, Wagner. Time is the only variable.

On another note, I am working hard on building the HGL League Office with AI. If I don't respond to any emails, please know that I am trying to finish Season 1 tonight. The Finished product, Wagner, is going to be pretty cool...


The HGL League Office
"The HGL League Office exists to preserve the history of the league, celebrate excellence, and provide an accurate, impartial record of every season, every team, and every player."

Sounds cool, I'm looking forward to seeing "the end product".

However, as I'm sure we all want to keep the data 100% accurate, I'd perhaps suggest you to create some certain "checkpoints" in your projects, in terms of being able to ensure data accuracy. I have found this to be very necessary thing to do with AI.

I mention this as I've had my difficulties with AI.
It does seemingly irrational and unbelievable errors at times (and does have certain odd restrictions, such as not remembering some older messages/writings/numbers from the exact same conversation), even when it's adviced it should avoid exactly those errors (after making such error first time).

So if you for instance create some rules that you use to check out if AI could've messed up with some statistics, I guess they could then be considered more trustworthy.

Some of the AI content I've tried to create for fun (practically not with HGL content at all; I've only calculated maybe 3 teams' top8-salaries with it, but others manually), as far as basketball statistics goes, have been interesting and helpful, but I don't seem to be able to get over those silly mistakes AI has continued to make over the course of the year or so when I've been playing around with it.

And when it comes to stats, 1 entry is all it takes to ruin everything (and in many cases AI makes a lot more critical mistakes than just excluding, say, 1 line or category of stats), like we saw from my mistake with missing 1 RS Round worth of team statistics (ED) last Season.

Last edited by Wagner at 6/25/2026 7:42:27 AM

Well, this looks to be extremely exciting! I can't wait to see the end product here. +1

Last edited by LA-LennuK at 6/25/2026 8:45:50 AM

Thx for your message, I've just sent a new link to VDT. (you're right, it's because of this unusual Sunday as firtst day of the week...)

Here is the new link (139702502)

Here is the new link (139702502)

@ED, VDT, LMS: Thanks for the new link VDT and ED - demars (ED) please remember to add that match link to your own teams box score post as well!


@all HGL managers:
Fill scores to your Season 5 own box score posts, if you still haven't done so!


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HB has been sent a reminder already earlier to quickly accept an invitation from EOS.

We are looking at a quite late acceptance (of a PU match) anyway, even if HB would login now and accept match challenge.

@EOS /LA-LennuK.: Are you willing to wait for him to accept challenge and accept less time for setting up lineups (other than standard lineups) for the match? Or shall we soon make this (I believe) first ever case by judging this match a forfeit loss to HB due to not accepting match in time (already before match deadline has passed - of course there has been forfeit in HGL due to not accepting match at all)?

This is a difficult situation all around, as we have discussed (/as I've wrote) in lengthy manner earlier, including just a moment ago.
You have tendency to login quite often, but what then especially if this occurs with manager that doesn't login so often? (And for the sake of fairness, we can't "demand" you to always react quickly either, due to someone else not fulfilling their duties in time, so this is also why you have an equal right to not show that much of a good will here if you so choose to - if that's the case though, please let me know)...

Last edited by Wagner at 6/27/2026 10:01:32 AM

Current update on HGL-PL participation-situation:

I'll add this information also on Scores-thread, so that everyone interested might spot it.

Currently 4 teams have announced their interest to participate to first ever HGL-PL:
Tassie Devils: (38697) (Top8-salaries $174K)
San Fernando VR: (77070) (Top8-salaries $111K without HGL-ineligible player)
M.L.S. REICH: (39615) (Top8-salaries $157K)
borteam: (46607) (Top8-salaries $108K).


As we can see, salary wise they're not mostly miles apart, so it's going to be interesting to see how games will play out!

Still 3 recently contacted teams haven't replied. It hasn't been determined how long I'll wait before roster will be locked, but at least a small while - as I mentioned elsewhere, M.L.S. REICH is also reviewing HGL posts currently (or at least I hope he is) to see if he'd enjoy playing in HGL eventually (which initial willingness is a prerequisite of participating to HGL-PL, as we know).