Wagner wrote:
We have three options:
1. accept this match today as a proper match (unless he will not participate and add box score post, in which case he would be disqualified and also first match would be ruled as a forfeit loss for him by a later decision) and wait for few days more whether or not he will be still willing to participate, because now almost everything has been handed for him ready (like you could see from my previous message), and if he's not willing to create a box score post for his team (or even share with us what exactly is the problem to begin with with not knowing how to create it), then I guess it's necessary for me to lift my hands up and judge that situation as lost case and spilled milk so to speak.
2. Disqualify him from HGL-PL Season 5
3. Hand him forfeit losses as long as box score post isn't created. However, the effect would be truly detrimental to his chances of good HGL-PL league position, so it could have the same effect as 2.
MrJ wrote:
I would ask if you can give him just a little more time, Wagner. If he can't get back to you and/or let us know how we can help soon, then you will have to make a decision.
I actually edited my previous post a bit, which (edited version) I added to beginning this reply.
My only worry even isn't only this, that should he be able to rise from the brink of disqualification/forfeits, to participate to HGL-PL. The worry is also that if we have managers who rather throw in the towel than ask for advice actively, also those managers who take care of their duties in time are negatively affected. There needs to be some kind of change in attitude/thinking within the next week or so, should he eventually be participating to HGL, as HGL match organizing process is starting soon, and as I said, we've got lot of problems on our hands if managers enter who wouldn't be willing to ask for help.
Like I said, I have had hands full of work with this HGL-PL as a whole, so much so that all other HGL tasks have once again been buried into "to do-pile". Do you guys remember what it was like when we all started out on Season 1? Well, we had lot more teams back then to whom it was totally new (16, to be precise), but it reminded me of that, because now new managers enter who naturally haven't yet got used to the practices&rules, and naturally have questions on how to proceed on certain situations (as while rules/procedures/practices-posts are in the longer side, they still don't cover each and every aspect/nuance that there is in HGL - but also because there's lots of text, maybe new managers are not able to remember everything by reading them through once).
While I think I've made it somewhat clear (?) to HGL-PL participants that HGL-PL uses basically HGL's rules and practices
if/in those situations where they aren't overruled by statements/rules in those (currently) 4 HGL-PL posts, and it is basically a HGL rule that you have to have box score post created.
I have also in my communication warned them to get things done in time or they risk disqualification and/or forfeit losses.
However, one could also argue that "these HGL rules wouldn't hold in front of a court", meaning that one could find some hole/technicality/contradicting problem from them.
One of the options, as mentioned, is to wait bit further (few more days, perhaps? At the very latest before next HGL-PL match on Friday) if he's ready to join HGL-PL.
But like I said, like IRL, managers not complying with rules/practices often cause new penalties to be applied, and as we as a community in general don't enjoy penalties all that much, let's not in general/as a part of community act so that things are needed to be solved by adding new penalties.
As also said, even if TD would be let off the hook here (if he gets post done and edited
soon), it might be necessary to add forfeit penalty of not creating a box score post in future.
Last edited by Wagner at 7/20/2026 7:18:11 AM