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From: Wagner

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Date: 5/2/2026 7:09:34 AM
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Has anyone listed it as a bug yet?

Thanks for reporting it (it seems you had done it earlier today), I just noticed your post (here: (331803.1)).

I hope they'd respond quickly.

LennuK. may still contact BB-Staff on Staff forums if he wants to/has time, to get even a better chance of a quick reply (and fix!) from them.

From: WiMaOl

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Date: 5/2/2026 7:47:11 AM
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My links don't work too, for me it's because the migration, I think they will fix the bug later and the links will work

for me, no need to postpone, just waiting for the bug to be fixed and in the meantime, we will share the game results on our team's own box score post

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From: Wagner

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Date: 5/2/2026 8:08:29 AM
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My links don't work too, for me it's because the migration, I think they will fix the bug later and the links will work

for me, no need to postpone, just waiting for the bug to be fixed and in the meantime, we will share the game results on our team's own box score post

Thanks for info.

MrJ posted a short note on a bugs-thread, let's see if BB-Staff responds and corrects situation quickly. (I wonder if BB-Staff understood the urgency of this though?)

That's not unfortunately how it works well, because I want to have all matches having been verified before they're played (just as usual, and just as rules have stated from the very beginning of HGL).

One of the possible "workarounds", if we need to postpone start of the Season 5 (by one week or so) and if box score link issue would be corrected by BB-Staff very soon (but not soon enough to be able to start HGL on next Monday) is to extend Season 5 RS by one week (and move the start of the playoffs one week after planned moment).

Then in an above postpone-example we'd play Rounds 1 and 2 (games planned for next Monday and Friday) after current RS 17 matches (and of course match results on currently organized Round 1 and 2 matches would not be used). So technically it'd be necessary to change Round numbering I guess, so that current Round 3 would become Round 1, and so on. But let's see the expected bug fix-schedule before starting to make schedule changes that'd require actions from all managers.

In this example, some teams would be forced to use 1-2 more tokens, but given the big amount of token volunteers, I don't think that'd pose a problem.

@MrJ: could you please keep us on the chart where we are in terms of box score bug fix schedule, if you receive replies to your BBMail/on forum to your bug report?

EDIT 3rd of May, 2026 at 3PM EET DST: see this message for latest additional information currently: (331391.59)

Last edited by Wagner at 5/3/2026 8:07:14 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 5/2/2026 9:32:04 AM
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As far as links working, still no success.

Also, as for editing HGL Season 5 schedule-posts, it's not sensible to add links to those posts yet, as I am not able to click links and confirm match details are correct. Therefore I won't blindly trust all times are correct - I'd have to double check everything again, and that'd (almost) double the work.

So this part also is left hanging (undone) before we get this box score links broken-problem solved.

And, like mentioned, it's not possible to confirm match details after game has been played.
In other words, if start of HGL Season 5 is being postponed, all the games will be cancelled (read: moved to a different day)/their results won't count, if the game is played before HGL Season 5 re-start will need to be made.

Example situation: In the case we don't get everything solved before next Friday evening, so before the moment when 2 RS Rounds should have been played, but would be able to start Season 5 properly before RS Round 3 is intended to be played (and match already organized) on Monday after that.
Result: RS Rounds 1 and 2 games won't count and will be played after currently Round 17 match (so reorganizing of those two matches would be needed).

Last edited by Wagner at 5/2/2026 9:41:05 AM

From: M a k e
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Date: 5/2/2026 4:25:12 PM
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Alanurmon Rikkaat (ALA) Boxscores

RS Round 1: 04.05.2026 vs BCR (139596150) 82-109 (BCR WIN)
RS Round 2: 08.05.2026 vs FRE (139596157) 83-98 (FRE WIN)

RS Round 3: 11.05.2026 vs WMO (139596153) 67-96 (WMO WIN)
RS Round 4: 15.05.2026 vs VPO (138830239) 68-116 (VPO WIN)
RS Round 5: 17.05.2026 vs ED (139596156) 70-119 (ED WIN)

RS Round 6: 18.05.2026 vs TRO (139596155)
RS Round 7: 22.05.2026 vs RAJ (138830240)
RS Round 8: 24.05.2026 vs HGK (139596292)

RS Round 9: 25.05.2026 vs EOS (138830241)
RS Round 10: 29.05.2026 vs LMS (138830241)
RS Round 11: 01.06.2026 vs KKS (139596154)

RS Round 12: 05.06.2026 vs MAD (139596152)
RS Round 13: 08.06.2026 vs VIV (139596164)
RS Round 14: 12.06.2026 vs HB (139596158)

RS Round 15: 15.06.2026 vs LGM (139596187)
RS Round 16: 19.06.2026 vs WAG (138830238)
RS Round 17: 22.06.2026 vs VDT (139596303)

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From: Wagner

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Date: 5/3/2026 6:39:05 AM
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***This same post was already published on Season 5 "main" HGL Thread, so no need to read this again if you already read that post***

@ all HGL managers, IMPORTANT post about start of HGL Season 5, please read through:

I try to keep this somewhat condensed text this time, but due to complexity of the subject it's not easy as you'll see.


As you all probably have noticed, we've having issues with box score post links not showing up correctly (returning Oops!-error message when opened before match has started).

So there are some things to consider about Season 5 start/postponing/possibility of having to re-arrange some RS matches later:

1. If it's possible and if we don't lose too many Rounds of RS games, I really would want to stick with the HGL rules, which means that match links should be inspected (also match starting time!) before match starts.

2. Set up your lineups now normally for all games, including for first Round(s) matches of Regular Season, but don't celebrate your victory yet fully before we'll get a proper (or any, to begin with) response from BB-Staff about resolution time estimate on this issue. Normal HGL rules about too small lineup etc. are valid also for these matches, if they eventually will be considered as valid match results (see "5." for more information).

3. So these matches that take place before we get a proper reply from BB-Staff (that we feel we can trust from the standpoint of issue correcting timetable) may or may not count. See "5." below.

4. I will not update league tables yet, before we'll see how many Rounds we'd miss/have to reorganize (because that decides whether or not matches would've been valid to begin with).

5. After some consideration I've at this point come to the middle ground-solution (that I think tries to stick with HGL rules as much as sensibly possible, but also hears some of you guys' wishes of accepting all matches as is), so:

- if we would only miss like 4 matches before this issue is corrected by BB (and by 5th RS Round I could verify all matches beforehand), then we can rearrange these Round 1-4 games.

- if correction by BB would take, say, 3-4 weeks, and we would miss (have to re-organize) 8-10 RS games, then I'd be willing to use these existing links without being able to inspect them prior to match.


6. Naturally normal HGL rules apply with these RS matches of first Round(s) that I'm unable to verify; no wrong match specs will be accepted so I hope they're all correctly arranged.


Please also note:
1. There are missing match links on some of you guys box score posts, please correct them before Season 5 is planned to be started tomorrow!

2. I'll now start to fill my own box score post with links, and then will likely reluctantly (as that's almost double amount of work this way as I haven't been able to verify what I copy there first!) proceed to filling box score posts with hopefully correct match links.

3. In the case first Rounds would be decided to be accepted as official results (as I mentioned, decision on that is still pending depending also on BB-Staff answer on box score links-problem correction timeline, that we're waiting!), remember this:
I'm not able to inspect any of these match links, to make sure that they even refer to correct opponent/match. These kind of mistakes have been found out having been made on previous Seasons of HGL on teams' box score posts, so please do check out especially first RS Rounds of your schedule, that they're against correct opponent.

4. If you find out you have had mistakes in your own box score post markings, please inform me by BBMail or by sending forum message, don't just silently change information on your box score post, because then it doesn't update to official HGL schedule and it wouldn't count as official result.

Last edited by Wagner at 5/3/2026 6:42:25 AM

From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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331391.61 in reply to 331391.60
Date: 5/3/2026 10:16:19 AM
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Wagner, is your concern 1) that you can't 'inspect' boxscores before the game is played or 2) that the games won't play, or 3) both of these?

From what I can see, despite the error messages appearing on the links, the games might still actually play out correctly; we just don't know yet. Therefore, until tomorrow night, we won't know whether these messages mean anything or not.

However, if your concern is only about the boxscores being able to be 'inspected' prior to the game being played, then that might be something we have to accept this season?

I'm not sure if I am understanding your concern correctly?

Both. Plus the fact that in previous Seasons many match links have referred to completely wrong matches, even though manager had also arranged that match, but added wrong links, etc.
Plus the point that if BB-Staff takes care of the problem soon (like they ought to), the damage is/would be very restricted in terms of actions required of each manager, and token usage.

I'd like to expect that BB-Staff wants/does take some kind of stance on this/replies to that post rather sooner than later with correction timeline announced simultaneously. That's of course not guaranteed, but that's what everyone should be able to expect, as I guess it's also in their interest to fix damage that their server migration supposedly caused.

I don't like at all about the idea of changing HGL rules due to BB failing.

But as I said, my thought about this was, written today, that if we can get a reply soon from BB-Staff, with their realistic/trustworthy approximation on schedule when they're going to correct this, then we'll be wiser. If we don't receive message from them, I presented an option with initial number of matches that I thought would be still likely very reasonable to reorganize (4).

To repeat, in that message I presented one possible timeline/deadline that we could use for this exceptional Season 5:

1. Maximum of 4 missed (uninspected) matches at the beginning of Season 5, and we'd do the reorganizing process for those 1-4 first Rounds (played after current RS Round 17.

2. If, on the other hand, there would be 5 or more matches at the start of RS Season 5 that we can´t verify before match starts (meaning BB wouldn't solve that problem before that), we would:
A) accept all match links now having been made (even though pre-match inspection would be impossible) until to the moment box score links work again and pre-match inspection becomes possible, meaning that results from current match links would remain valid until problem is solved by BB, and
B) we would return to usual pre-match inspection routine during RS of Season 5 as soon as BB has fixed this issue, meaning that all wrong match times (that are not 3.30PM EET DST) would also count as unaccepted matches.


One of the options of course would be to check out those matches (after they've been played, for being correct opponent, court balance and correct day) and ignore match time inspection altogether until BB fixes this issue. But as I said, BB has created this problem, so I'd like to believe they want to solve this quickly.

Of course all other normal HGL rules would apply, so if matchup, day or court balance is wrong, what's said above doesn't "save" those matches.

I totally understand the confusion this may cause to everyone; trust me, it's even worse for me. It also makes me look really bad as being at the end responsible for getting everything to work smoothly, even though I have limited control on how BB will fix this issue.

So yes, I'm still wrestling with this thing with what you wrote in your message, like you can see from my reply (as we both have a point here, and my point also is that if BB corrects this issue soon and we'll get through it with only minor damage, then I'd really like to stick with HGL rules and practices and not change them due to BB's inability to correct damage on time).

Last edited by Wagner at 5/3/2026 10:33:37 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 5/3/2026 10:57:20 AM
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@all:
I've noticed many teams don't have all match numbers announced in their box score posts.
Please add all match links to your own box score posts now. Season 5 is just behind the corner.

I'll add something here that I've noticed, list updated May 4th at 3PM EET DST:
- WMO vs. ED; ED has a wrong link on Round 17 match! This is exactly what I meant in my reply to MrJ, as there's no way for me to verify which one is correct. Note: I might not have even been able to catch all wrong links during my match link collection process, because I'm not able to open match details. But this works as an example what has happened before, and happened again, which makes it a bad thing not being able to inspect all matches.

- HB RS Rounds 16 and 17 missing (also opponent names on those Rounds missing from box score post!)
- ED R 2, 4, 5, 10, 14 and 16 missing
- LGM R 13 and 15 missing
- BCR R 16 missing
- TRO R 5 missing

- Some teams have still wrong days on their Playoff-section of their box scores:
- FRE
- RAJ
- LMS
- HB
(Yes, I realize it was in the first place due to my initial wrong data on my own box score post, but please correct that data in your posts. You'll of course see correct Playoff match days from schedule-posts, or from my teams' own box score post).

So 8 out of 18 managers have apparent corrections needed to be made to their teams' own box score posts ASAP (and there could be more, but I haven't yet had chance/time to check out all match specs at the moment due to BB's recent problems with box score links).


@MrJ/all others who might be interested:
By the way, to add to the previous post (as character limitation was reached), not being able to inspect matches prior to start would've in many instances in past taken us to a situation where there are two different match links (match numbers) on "supposedly" same match. So without being able to spot those prior to match, we could end up with such situation, and in worst case scenario I'd be using the wrong one of them in the official schedule as I can't know which one is the correct one.

Last edited by Wagner at 5/4/2026 8:09:57 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 5/3/2026 11:24:11 AM
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But as I said, my thought about this was, written today, that if we can get a reply soon from BB-Staff, with their realistic/trustworthy approximation on schedule when they're going to correct this, then we'll be wiser. If we don't receive message from them, I presented an option with initial number of matches that I thought would be still likely very reasonable to reorganize (4).

To repeat, in that message I presented one possible timeline/deadline that we could use for this exceptional Season 5:

1. Maximum of 4 missed (uninspected) matches at the beginning of Season 5, and we'd do the reorganizing process for those 1-4 first Rounds (played after current RS Round 17.

2. If, on the other hand, there would be 5 or more matches at the start of RS Season 5 that we can´t verify before match starts (meaning BB wouldn't solve that problem before that), we would:
A) accept all match links now having been made (even though pre-match inspection would be impossible) until to the moment box score links work again and pre-match inspection becomes possible, meaning that results from current match links would remain valid until problem is solved by BB, and
B) we would return to usual pre-match inspection routine during RS of Season 5 as soon as BB has fixed this issue, meaning that all wrong match times (that are not 3.30PM EET DST) would also count as unaccepted matches.


One of the options of course would be to check out those matches (after they've been played, for being correct opponent, court balance and correct day) and ignore match time inspection altogether until BB fixes this issue. But as I said, BB has created this problem, so I'd like to believe they want to solve this quickly.

To quote myself above (to make most essential part of that long message stand out), all others in addition to MrJ may also comment what they think about this, that is this maximum of 4 match limit clear and reasonable (reasonably small amount of matches) as a limit/deadline of reorganization/not reorganizing matches?

Downside of course would be that before BB-Staff would give us a reply and estimate on correction timeline, then we wouldn't know if 1-4 of these first RS matches (currently announced match links) would count as scores, or would reorganizing be needed.

On the positive note, we would be able to stick with our normal rules and practices with only minor effort (from "regular" manager), if BB corrects this on time.

So as said, you all may comment on this if you so wish, as it's a tricky situation and it would be interesting to hear what also others who haven't voiced their opinion think of this?

And to stress this, while I have strong opinions on some things, I genuinely want to hear from people.

There are also some other middle-ground options (that can be formed from the quoted message), that can be considered as solution, or even possibly use that last unnumbered option from above quoted message.

But key here is that if you have some opinion of it, please voice it out now (especially if you still haven't - some managers have made their first preference clear directly or indirectly, but of course their further input on this is just as welcome), because latest decision time on this issue will be tomorrow before Season 5 starts. If you feel strong about it, I would find it positive that you even state your opinion again.

I see both points here, so people might well be able to affect the decision by giving their opinion on this, and possibly some grounds why they feel like it (if they want to share it).

If nobody comments though we can start Season 5 by choosing my proposition of maximum of 4 matches (that would cause reorganizing of those unconfirmed matches), or if lots of opinions are against that, then we can consider using those current links before BB fixes this issue (as I wrote at the last chapter of my above quoted message).[/

Last edited by Wagner at 5/3/2026 1:15:06 PM

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