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From: Wagner

To: ned
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Date: 5/23/2026 5:24:51 AM
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Fired this one
Gianluca Scardamaglio (55278590)
Salary: $ 2 411
19 yo

Thank you for the information ned, I'll add him to the transfer-post bit later!
EDIT: Done.

Last edited by Wagner at 5/28/2026 5:30:29 AM

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Date: 5/23/2026 5:26:30 AM
Wagner College
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Hi Wagner,

I am selling player (50847379).
On staurday after league game he will be gone.
He is last in top8 salary.

I need to cut salaries a little bit.

Thanks Paul George, I'll add his transfer to the HGL Transfers-post a bit later (when I have bit time to update it everywhere it needs to be updated, etc. etc.).
EDIT: Done.

Last edited by Wagner at 5/28/2026 5:30:39 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 5/27/2026 9:23:53 AM
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League tables after RS Round 9 have now been updated. Very interesting games and scores during last two RS Rounds.

Sorry for delay this time. These 3 games weeks aren't my favorites TBH.

If you wonder why I've been logging in to BB and not having updated HGL league table when doing so, it's only due to not having enough time for that - I've had to set up some lineups/tactics during those logins. In other words, if I have 2, 5 or even 10 minutes time to spend in BB in some given occasion, there's absolutely no way I'd be able to do it with that time frame.

Let's take an example: now that I updated 2 RS Rounds to league tables and scores post (and made some copies where they are needed), it took about an hour (to do it carefully and properly - wrong scores are the last place where I want to make mistakes).

And, I'll respond to MrJ's message about player stats later (but in short; I think we all understand your delays and appreciate work put into HGL in the long run, no matter what the publication schedule would be), but with the same spirit I can share with all of you that I still haven't started gathering HGL team stats for this Season, so there's lots of work that should be started quite soon (so that it doesn't grow into a taller mountain, or rather an insurmountable object).

Last edited by Wagner at 5/28/2026 5:31:46 AM

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Date: 5/28/2026 3:55:24 AM
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@all current HGL managers, important question:

I'd invite all to state their opinion on whether or not a voting should be arranged about possible rule change in HGL (or whether you think it's totally appropriate/adequate to make a Commissioners' Decision on this rule change matter).

In this case I mean the possibility for new teams to have a chance to join HGL (by winning the worst team in HGL in HGL-RPF, HGL Relegation/Promotion Final match) even if no current teams would be withdrawing from HGL voluntarily after a given HGL Season. Discussion on this have been going on on HGL Thread(s) lately, as you all might have noticed.

So, this post itself is not yet a voting so no votes are/should be cast at this point about the actual possible change (yes/no), but I'd like to hear what people think if voting should be organized (it'd be kind of a big change, yes?) or not.



Also, as a second reminder, please inform me by RS Round 13 (if you still haven't done so) if you want to continue in HGL on Season 6 as well (unless you have given your "continuous commitment" on previous Seasons; it's still not bad idea to renew your commitment by writing though if you want to do so).
For the clarity, I will now specify that on this Season (as the practice has previously been to inform me by the end of Regular Season, and I suspect some managers have not noticed this changed requirement) you will not "lose" your place in HGL if you miss the RS Round 13 deadline, so that reason itself won't open places for new teams on next Season (6).
Having said that, everyone, please still inform me ASAP if you want to continue in HGL also on Season 6.

Last edited by Wagner at 5/28/2026 4:07:11 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 5/28/2026 6:40:36 AM
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I'll create this post on Season 5 Thread as well, so that we can easily update the list of teams interested in HGL.
This is an edited version of these earlier posts,
here:(329501.128),
(327516.86), and
(328546.32).

Updateable listing of HGL teams that have confirmed their willingness to participate for Season 6 of HGL, which is played during BB season 73:

Team name (manager name), day of announcement

1. Wagner College (Wagner), (May 4th,2025) ++
2. Les Gueux du Marais (Coach Faz), (May 4th,2025) ++
3. Elan Demars (demars) ++
4. Lielupes Melnās Sirdis (Monēta), (May 4th,2025) ++
5. Homegrown Kings (MrJ), (Feb 13th) ++
6. Madrid Chotis (Jotadoce), May 18th,2026
7. Vilniaus „Vilkai“ (kecal), May 18th,2026
8. WiMaOlCa (WiMaOl)
9. Club Trouville (Chucarro), (May 6th,2025) ++
10. Freccia Azzurra (ned)
11. Rajdersi (Paul George), May18th,2026
12. BC Rajaleidjad (Trailblazer), May 18th,2026
13. BC Eos (LennuK.), (Oct 24th,2025) ++
14. Virtus Portici (SventraCanestri), (June 13th,2025) ++
15. KK Stihija (Pihija), (Oct 24th,2025) ++
16. Vindicta (Jioshoo)
17. Hårdboll (Spela)
18. Alanurmon Rikkaat (M a k e)

++=Participates also to further Seasons (in addition to Season 6) = ""AC/Automatic Commitment" given earlier; contact me if you want to withdraw your AC.

Teams playing in HGL Season 5, who have confirmed they WILL NOT participate to Season 6 of HGL:
None.

Possible new team additions/new candidates for Season 6 of HGL:
(Teams, who might be interested in participating to Season 6 of HGL (which takes place during next BB season).

Svätý Jur Snakers (Hadár) (May 16th, 2026)
Tassie Devils (Tazdevil) (March 15th, 2026)

Other possibly interested teams (possibly joining HGL later but currently preferred starting season hasn't been announced):

1. BC Homegrown (Dutch Farmer), original interest announced April 15th, 2025 ((324689.730))
2. San Antonio Gladiators (Enigma), June 25th, 2025
3. Social Security Kings (IKnowZip), July 30th, 2025 *IEP;7*
4. London Rams (UK Andrius) (Feb 28th, 2026) *IEP;9*
5. San Fernando VR (VR75) (Feb 22nd, 2026) *IEP;1*

*IEP*=Ineligible player(s) on June 7th, 2026.


If you´re still not playing in HGL but wish to do so in the future, please let me know either by responding to this post or sending me a BBMail. When you do so, I'll add you to a list based on your preferred starting season.
However, this applies to current and new teams (currently not playing in HGL).
In other words, if you are already playing in HGL, please inform me of your interest to continue playing on next Season of HGL by the Regular Season Round 13 (June 8th, 2026), thank you.


Personally I'd like being able to guarantee a place for current teams playing in HGL for the next HGL Season as well, should they wish to continue playing, but we need to restrict the amount of accepted new teams (due to sensible league size restrictions).

When I think of it, if and as we have "too many" interested new teams wanting to join HGL (and simply couldn't accept all - currently 'soft cap' would be around 18 teams per Season, but that's still slightly under discussion; expect for now that it's not going to rise from there), we might need to simultaneously try to give some possibility for currently non-HGL teams to enter HGL if they prove to be better than worst team of HGL in that given Season.

In order to do that, then I think some kind of play-in type short league/playoffs structure (that'd take place during Season 5 HGL Playoffs), HGL Promotion League (HGL-PL) between these interested teams would be preferable in that case to determine participation rights for new teams (or in this case, an order in which teams would be offered a place on Season 6 should current HGL managers withdraw.

Last edited by Wagner at 6/6/2026 6:20:43 PM

From: Wagner

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Date: 5/29/2026 5:44:03 PM
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League tables updated after RS Round 10.

Very interesting and partly also dramatic (big comebacks on 4th quarters, big scoring night especially in match between two French sides, etc.!) Round we had, and after this no teams remain undefeated as RAJ was able to beat until then undefeated KKS. KKS on the other hand still has everything in their own hands, but KKS-VIV (both now at 9-1) can prove to be very interesting and even decisive - should both teams (KKS+VIV) plus VPO win all of their other matches that are remaining and it seems that could be decisive match on RS victory - if VIV and VPO are tied, VPO wins; but if VPO and KKS are tied, KKS wins.

Having said that, some teams disagree it would be decisive one. And I've truly enjoyed the surprise elements and even matches this Season, and there are many very high quality teams breathing just behind the teams with only 1 loss currently (KKS, VPO, VIV).
Out of them LMS (8-2) and EOS (7-3) have highest budgets, while RAJ (8-2) and ED (6-4) have proven many times over that they can cause upsets against higher salary foes.
Also LGM's current record of 7W-3L is fantastic given their $271K salary (although it must be admitted that their schedule gets harder at the end - at least 5 of the remaining matches will be challenging in terms of finding a win, but almost anything is certainly possible and they have already proven that they can beat teams that have higher salary than theirs).

Last edited by Wagner at 5/29/2026 5:45:45 PM

From: Wagner

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Date: 6/6/2026 7:59:32 AM
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Yet another league table update finished after RS Round 12 on Season 5.

Couple of very important matches, which resulted VPO climbing back to first position in league table, as KKS suffered an 8 point loss to EOS in one of the highest level of matches (player salaries) on this whole Regular Season.

RAJ once was able to find win in very important match against VIV, equalizing their W-L record to 10-2 with VIV, and of course now being in front of VIV in any case should these two teams (only) be tied in wins after RS.

HB, with their somewhat clear 16 point win over TRO, almost already made sure Swedish color will be seen in HGL Playoffs this time around, simultaneously meaning likely no Finnish teams will be playing in Playoffs.

This was also made more likely by VPO's win over my team (WAG) - probably my smallest loss to VPO by far until this day, but once again their strong defense and effective enough offense made me look bad on both ends of the floor, keeping me at sub-27% in FG shooting. Only thing to celebrate was a Round high 21 offensive rebounds (and 14 more shot opportunities), but there's still a miles of difference between my team and VPO, and my very, very slim Playoff chances seem to rely on reaching very unlikely wins over opponents like this (or ED, RAJ, and EOS to name a few), so if one calls chances slim, they would be polite I suppose.

As far as Finnish teams technically still having chances to reach S5 Playoffs, MAD's win over ALA, in a second most lopsided win on the Season 5 RS so far, 61 points to be precise (biggest difference of the Season 5 so far is 62 point difference) left ALA in tricky/difficult position in that sense. Of course, it doesn't/didn't help that ALA's second most expensive player is suffering from broken nose. MAD's dominance on steals (14-2) and in blocks (18 to 1) were one of the decisive factors.

BCR and FRE had pretty even fight (9p win for BCR) at the lower end of the league table, and as expected, BCR's strong performance in rebounds (once again) was too much to handle for FRE, whose expertise rebounds were not (at least on Season 4 - I don't have yet any team stats for Season 5 collected).


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Anyway, stay tuned, as decisions on either start of voting and/or possible change of "opening" HGL (note: relative term, as it's not "closed" league nowadays either) to new-to-HGL teams through Promotion/Relegation Final will be announced here on main Thread. Please note that if vote would be opened, I find that it's controversial how big portion of managers would
A) need to have casted their vote, and
B) how large of percentage of votes would need to favor change,
in order for change to take a place.

It'd be also possible to make this change ("opening" league through Relegation/Promotion Final) based on Commissioner's Decision, but again I have received only few mixed and partly indecisive opinions on whether voting should take place or not.
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Last edited by Wagner at 6/6/2026 8:01:37 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 6/6/2026 4:50:03 PM
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@all managers, important, please read:

All current 18 teams have confirmed that they are committed to Season 6 participation.

However, as the demand/discussion has taken place recently in terms of whether or not HGL would be better off "opened" to 1 new team per Season (should they be able to beat worst team in given HGL Season in one match; court balance to be decided), I will now open first ever HGL voting about this possible change.

I'll also send every current HGL manager a short BBMail about this, to ensure coverage and reaction.

In order to vote, please only respond 'Vote A' or 'Vote B' (or A or B); no basis for your decision/opinion are asked nor preferred at this point, only your vote.


I don't vote yet, so please don't be bothered by that, and still vote - I want to see the actual result without trying to "set a preference" by voting first, if you know what I mean. (If there will be plenty of votes, I might not need to vote at all).

I realize it hasn't been determined, how big part of managers would need to vote, and/or how big of a percentage would be needed in order for change to take place "officially", but let's see how this voting goes, and let's all try to give our vote/voice on this voting so that we can see if some kind of clear consensus will be reached (on whether to potentially invite 1 new team per HGL Season or not, if they are able to beat worst team in HGL).

This whole matter has been discussed in lengthy manner, for example starting from this post (331392.53) (below the line of starts), and continuing for at least 10 messages below, until this message: (331392.62).



So as you all probably already know, the voting will be only about the possible change of opening the league to 1 interested, currently non-HGL team per Season.


Please note, that results on this HGL-PL (HGL Promotion/Participation League) could be used also to determine who will get to participate to Season 7, if no new interested teams will announce their interest for Season 7 after this Seasons' HGL-PL has been started.

That means, that teams that would be interested in participating to Season 6 and/or Season 7 should now participate to this HGL-PL, just to be on the safe side.


In other words, it has not yet been 100% decided, whether or not these results of first HGL-PL would be used for determining Season 7 participation, or only to determine in which order teams would be given replacement places from HGL for Season 6 if some currently committed HGL managers would withdraw prior to Season 6.

(It might be preferred to save some trouble and tokens, and use this Season's results, if no new interested teams would announce interest after this HGL-PL has been started).

Note: please only participate if you would be committed to participate to HGL Season 6 and/or 7.

I'll copy-paste my BBMail below (sent to HGL managers), as that contains most essential information:

Hello,
I'd appreciate if all HGL managers would vote on this matter.

Voting is about whether or not managers think HGL should be "opened" to 1 "currently non-HGL" team per Season through promotion/relegation-scenario starting from Season 6.

In short:
worst team in HGL (ORSR-rankings of RS, Season 6) would be forced to face a best current non-HGL team, which has won the recent HGL Promotion/Participation League (HGL-PL), in a single HGL Relegation/Promotion Final (HGL-RPF) match.
Winner of HGL-RPF plays in HGL next Season, loser does not.

Note: No changes to max. HGL team amounts (now 18) in either scenario.

Vote A= no changes to current system
Vote B= 1 team per Season has chance to get "accepted" to HGL (and worst HGL team faces relegation threat per Season).

Please only write 'Vote A' or 'Vote B' when you vote on HGL main Thread (vote here: (331392.86)).

Please cast your vote in 8 days, by 14th of June 23.59 EET, DST.

Last edited by Wagner at 6/6/2026 4:59:25 PM

From: demars

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Date: 6/6/2026 6:51:17 PM
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Vote A

I like the current system, I would be sad if any of the team I use to face should leave.

From: Wagner

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Vote A

I like the current system, I would be sad if any of the team I use to face should leave.

Thank you for your vote demars, I will make a note/record of it of course - I hope that's first one of the all 18 votes, and we'll get the voting done in time.

Frankly, demars, I understand you 100%, and you described quite perfectly why this is so problematic scenario to me all in all - even if I don't know any of you guys really well (I hope that will change in the future though - I'm not kidding about HGL meets and such!), I have come to like you guys a lot and very much enjoy being part of this community, and it would be sad to "throw a committed manager out of the league" just because they didn't had very competitive team on that Season.

It's very interesting how much I've also come to like some certain matchups/facing some teams, and continuation is something I've always wanted to cherish and reward in HGL... And also I'd like to reward committed managers, not penalize them.. And while forcing worst team to relegation final match might not be interpreted as penalizing to some, I believe at least you know what I mean.

And on the other hand, it's in a way "a positive problem" having to deal with these, but of course sometimes it feels as one is between the tree and the bark, as it's sometimes impossible to find enough time in order to be able to expand and expand all the time. Not only that quality often times suffers (anyone can confirm that from work life, yes?;), but also it needs to be remembered, that we all (including me) should be able to enjoy this and being able to use "acceptable" amount of time into it (and given consideration to all aspects, including being able to maintain level of the league even if I would have less time to use for BB and therefore for HGL at some point in the future), as we all have IRL things/duties/relationships as well that need to be given time and care.

Also, it's an interesting change, as this is second time in a row when all current managers wanted to continue to further Season, while first 3 Seasons created a lot of open spots (for new teams to enter) in HGL due to teams exiting voluntarily. Who knows how this will develop in future - are we able to keep up with this nice streak, or are teams going to exit HGL voluntarily for one reason or another?

But as I've said, I also always understand both points of the view, and I am thankful that we have interested teams "on the queue" so to speak. There will be HGL-PL (short) league (/playoffs/combination of both; TBD) for them, starting on this Season.

Currently after 1 vote:
Vote A: 1
Vote B:0

Last edited by Wagner at 6/6/2026 7:24:10 PM

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