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If you field a correct team you can play with a 18-yo in a D.3 game. It all depends on the opponent of course. It is sure that waiting for a player to come on the TL when most of basic training has already been done is appealing, but there are several risks :

- player may not suit your needs as his former owner might have different objectives

- player may have had delayed training, thus making him much less interesting

- competition for him is likely to raise, making him much more expensive than a pure raw material would be.

However I agree that nothing comes without sacrifice, and training a youngster need slots. But all team doing formation know that, and yet rewards exceed expenses by far.

Another small remark : I'd much more gladly train a 18-yo than Claeys out of position, as having a 125 k player that you can't field in regular games is "quite" annoying. And yet it is necessary so that he gets the profile I want him to ... At the least the 18-yo doesn't cost 5 k / week ;)

Saw it and already voted for the proposal.
I like the idea to manage a second team. It will allow me to be competitive with one team, and to try several things with the other team which can't be combined with being a competitive team.
If the proposal will be accepted (and I assume it will), I will have to rethink my future with KV Forever.

I think this is turning BB into a pay-to-win game.

Although restriction are quite logical, needless to say that smaller countries will be overtaken by foreign managers. Any capable manager from a bigger country will easily overthrow local managers from smaller one easily, leading those one to even quitting the game.

Farming might become quite an issue, where secondary team will be home of NT monsters in order to keep them into the game.

Willing to save numbers in BB is good, but the way they're doing this isn't. If i were them I'd spend time trying to make BB playable on even more platforms than it is now, so that it attracts a greater number of NEW players.

My 2 cents. As I'm no supporter though, I didn't vote on this one.

I agree with Joe: I can't see how you would gain a big advantage (pay to win) with the criteria/conditions mentioned by BB-Marin. It will add fun to those with supporter, but advantage? No.
And like him, I felt "obligated" to take supporter just looking at the time i spend on the game (which will be about 1/10th of the time Joe is spending :p )

It might become an issue for smaller countries that their forum is being 'overtaken' by other nationalities and thus English will become the common language.
We, as Belgians, are familiar with this issue and we have adapted, but there might be some more resistance in other countries.

I think this is turning BB into a pay-to-win game.

Although restriction are quite logical, needless to say that smaller countries will be overtaken by foreign managers. Any capable manager from a bigger country will easily overthrow local managers from smaller one easily, leading those one to even quitting the game.

Farming might become quite an issue, where secondary team will be home of NT monsters in order to keep them into the game.

Willing to save numbers in BB is good, but the way they're doing this isn't. If i were them I'd spend time trying to make BB playable on even more platforms than it is now, so that it attracts a greater number of NEW players.

My 2 cents. As I'm no supporter though, I didn't vote on this one.

i agree 100%

to many problems will arise. If the secundairy teams are allowed to TL players with the primairy teams, how would u feel if u are trying to buy a player and the secundairy team comes and snatches that player away? without the secundairy teams, u would have gotten ur stud. now u are missing out on him.

Futhermore, it created to many cheating problems. Say manager in nation A has a second team in nation B, and manager in nation B has a secundairy team in nation A. 2 managers agree to send cash from there secundairy teams to the primairy teams of the other manager. it's going to be fun for a GM to determine weither they knew about eachother team or not. (not to mention, let's say Dartreb and Joe have a feud. Dartreb has some friends in other nations, who deliberately overpay players from Joe's team. if 2 of them say: we had a deal with Joe that his second team would help out our primairy teams, but he didn't respect it. are u seeing what kind of a headache that would bring? (there is currently 1 BBBL manager who has faced such a problem in the past! and it does occure sometimes). imagen the GM handling the case. u got a couple of guy's saying he was in for the deal, and the owner denying it. What course of action do you take? all u have are the words of a couple of individual managers to go forth on.

economies of primairy teams will be influenced too. say u are in a division now, with half bots. u are always at the top of your division then. suddenly, u get overwhelmed with foreign secundairy teams. u start losing games. u aren't top of your division anymore, and thus lose out cash (arena income) that you would have gotten normally. In the BBBL and II divisions in Belgium, this isn't likely going to happen. but it could be the case in III and IV, and that won't be fair (nor fun) for those managers and they are an important part of our community too.

and i agree with the statement that if it does happen, that many non supporters will quit the game. they'll consider being at a disadvantage and it's not worth it if u lose more active managers who can't afford supporter.

The only way to make this work, is by creating a parrallel server. but then the supporters won't be encouraged as much to join it. it's just having 2 BB teams who have nothing to do with eachother... not to mention, several would ditch 1 team for that second team since it's more succesfull. Hence, u would split the community that is shrinking into 2 seperate communities, which won't do anyone any good. (and a supporters only server will be pretty dull...) And the costs of a parrallel server would most likely be to high for it to be worth the investment...

i love BB, i'd love to see it expand, but i fear this isn't a good idea. It could potentially get more revenue. But i fear that many more active managers would be lost. this would then result in less fun, so less incentive to buy supporter.

So all things considered, i really don't think this is a good idea. but i don't have a good counter idea, so i've decided not to critize it (for now). i'll need some time to think this one through, but as it stands now, i'm not in favor of that idea.