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305710.10 in reply to 305710.9
Date: 12/31/2020 08:40:57
Kira Kira Koseki
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I'll admit that LaMelo played really well last night, and I might not have made my previous post had I noticed the result earlier because now it just makes me look stupid. With that being said, it's one great game, and almost anyone in the league can have one great game, just like superstars can occasionally be made to look like scrubs. If LaMelo makes a habit out of having great games, then I'll admit defeat and metaphorically eat shit, but it feels like it would be the work of voodoo magic if this is his normal level of performance, even considering that it's been over a year since I saw him in the NBL.

The point about Euro stats and rotations is that the 'different' way of going about things over there makes American scouts believe they really are smarter. They'll cite reasons like "oh that team knows they'll lose this prospect in the off-season anyway that's why they won't play him" even if such a reason has been proven false. And then the slippery slope of arguments as to why player x didn't shine overseas begins, leading back to scouts being infatuated with potential. And this doesn't just happen in Europe; Greg Oden was infamously drafted ahead of Kevin Durant despite the latter clearly having more talent, even back when Oden was healthy in college.

Europe may lack the dominant superstars that inevitably filter into the NBA, but I daresay that the top clubs over there are almost as strong as the lesser NBA clubs, which are still capable of winning games in the league on a good day. And the game as a whole is better for having such a strong professional second tier of basketball...

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Date: 12/31/2020 09:07:52
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First, my apologies if you both took my first line dead serious. It wasn't meant that way. I didn't want to disrespect your opinions. Actually I agree on most of your points. I just don't go along with LaMelo being a 2nd round pick in a rather weak draft. For me he's a late lottery or mid first rounder, but that's just my opinion and I'm far from being an expert. Except for some YouTube videos I didn't see any footage of LaMelo. I read the scouting reports on different websites. I think they were pretty clear about his weaknesses and mostly didn't hype his strengths too much. I was glad he went to Charlotte bc I don't really care about the Hornets. But I like to give all new players a chance before writing them off, no matter what sport we are talking about. We will see if he can live up to his draft position or if he will be a complete bust.
After the first four games I can see him as a rotation guy, surely not a star or even franchise player.

Regarding his NBL season I wouldn't put too much into him leaving the team early. I'm sure he was able to play the rest of the season. Given Ball history that was a business decision like everything else after he left high school. I don't think they ever intended to let him play a full season. They just wanted to increase his draft stock value and unfortunately it worked out for them. I hope both teams, the one in Lithuania and in New Zealand, still got something out of this episode.

For me as someone who is mostly watching NBA and college basketball I can relate to some of the ignorant people. It's hard to compare different talents if you don't have the same level of information on them. Most times the fastest and easiest way is to read the reports in the media and study some stats. Of course, stat fillers like Westbrook & Co always look better than other players that might have a bigger impact on teams' success. Everybody is biased somehow going into the draft.
I wasn't impressed by Luka's pure stats in Europe. At first sight his numbers weren't great compared to what you are used to in the NBA on a daily basis. When you consider the shorter quarters in FIBA basketball and even more his age, it's a different story. Luckily I was also able to watch some of his performances for Real Madrid. After that I was sold on him. It was his presence on the court what impressed me the most. I'm still stunned that he didn't go No 1 in the draft in 2018. I guess the Suns went for the potential and the need of a 7 footer (even though Ayton is 6'11) and the Kings just did what the Kings usually do. The Mavs couldn't be more lucky after trading for the Hawks pick.

I also think it's time to realize 7 footers don't mean more potential. There are too many disappointments in the history, not to forget the injury risk you have to take on. Players like Jokic will always be exceptionally rare. Most 7 footers are either injury prone (like Embiid or Oden) or suck/ are role players at best.
As a Warriors fan I still like the Wiseman pick though ;)

Btw I really hope Hartenstein gets the chance to prove that people were wrong taking Bender over him.

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Date: 12/31/2020 09:22:12
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I'll admit that LaMelo played really well last night, and I might not have made my previous post had I noticed the result earlier because now it just makes me look stupid. With that being said, it's one great game, and almost anyone in the league can have one great game, ...


They can have even more than one. Who doesn't remember Linsanity?

Europe may lack the dominant superstars that inevitably filter into the NBA, but I daresay that the top clubs over there are almost as strong as the lesser NBA clubs, which are still capable of winning games in the league on a good day. And the game as a whole is better for having such a strong professional second tier of basketball...


I would like to see the best European teams compete in the NBA on a regular basis. I'm sure many people in the US would be surprised. Although I'm sure it's true most of the times, I don't like that they automatically declare NBA winners to be world champions without even playing a single team outside of the US (the Raptors don't count).

Btw Happy New Year to you guys in Australia!

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Date: 01/11/2021 12:08:45
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Looks like LaMelo might silence the bust talk earlier than I thought. For now, he just wrote history when posting a triple double against the Hawks to become the youngest player in the NBA that has done that.
Ok, it was just Atlanta, a team that is struggling the last couple of games and also lost Bogdanovic early in the game. But still, doing this in just over 30 minutes of playing time while being effective, is impressive. He also had the best plus minus.
I'm curious to see if he can back that up, although he already played way better lately anyway.

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Date: 01/12/2021 02:24:19
Kira Kira Koseki
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Blow it up, Atlanta. You're not winning anything with this core if they can't even defend against a stat padding scrub.

Last edited by Jay (OTT) at 01/12/2021 02:24:49

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Date: 01/16/2021 11:23:39
Vilkiukai
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I still believe he will end like up like Michael Carter Williams did, at best That guy had great start also.

Last edited by Vilkai [LTU NT] at 01/16/2021 11:24:09

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Date: 01/16/2021 19:31:30
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Yeah, I also thought of MCW as a possible role model for LaMelo. Right now, LaMelo seems to be a lock for ROY, but I wouldn't Wiseman out yet.

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Date: 11/28/2021 21:59:28
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LaMelo didn't respect most of the guys in the NBBL it seemed. He is thriving in the NBA. Rookie of the year last season and is essentially averaging 20/8/8 right now. He will be an all-star in the next few seasons and will definitely be an All-NBA caliber guard in his career.

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