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Hi,
I think it would make more sense to sort the NT coach rankings by winning percentage rather than number of wins.
What do you think? Can it be changed please? Thanks. :)

For example the ranking in South Africa is not logical:
https://ibb.co/L9FbJpV

I think a tweak to the rankings would be good as well, but winning percentage isn't the most accurate interpretation of the best NT manager either, as consolation wins are much easier than wins at Worlds, but the manager should be rewarded for making Worlds.

Something like this could work well:

Wins-Losses
Continental Win: 1 point
Continental Loss: -1 point
Worlds Win: 2 points
Works Loss: 0 points
Consolation Win: 1 point
Consolation Loss: -1 point
Scrimmages: 0 points win or lose

Awards
Continental Bronze: 5 points
Continental Silver: 8 points
Continental Gold: 12 points
Worlds Bronze: 12 points
Worlds Silver: 15 points
Worlds Gold: 20 points

Longevity
Managers gets 5 points for every term that they complete

Last edited by E.B.W. at 08/08/2022 22:01:55

I really like this system but I’d add and amend a couple spots to this ⬇️

Wins-Losses
Continental Win: 2 point
Continental Loss: -2 point
Worlds* Win: 3 points
Worlds* Loss: 0 points
Consolation Round-Robin Win: 1 point
Consolation Round-Robin Loss: -1 point
Consolation Tournament Win: 2 points
Consolation Tournament Loss: -1 point
Scrimmages: 0 points win or lose
*Repechage counts as Worlds

Awards
Consolation Bronze: 5 point
Consolation Silver: 8 points
Consolation Gold: 12 points
Continental Bronze: 12 points
Continental Silver: 15 points
Continental Gold: 20 points
Worlds Bronze: 20 points
Worlds Silver: 25 points
Worlds Gold: 30 points

Longevity
Managers gets 5 points for every term that they complete

Last edited by khenry at 08/09/2022 05:06:10

I like it

Few things I don't agree with either of you.

- There shouldn't be any minus points for losses, cause managers from small nations who can hope to get 1-2 wins per season, would all be Sub-Zero.

- Continental Gold should be worth more than World Cup Bronze. Well, this is different for each continent, but in Europe, it's much harder to win a Continental, than to get a World Cup Bronze.

- Managers shouldn't get any points just for being elected.

Instead of negative points, I would suggest a bigger gap between wins in different competitions, there's no reason to keep the points low.

Scrimmage Win: 0 points

Consolation Round-Robin Win: 1 point
Consolation R32 Win: 2 points
Consolation R16 Win: 3 points
Consolation R8 Win: 4 points
Consolation R4 Win: 6 points
Consolation Finals Win: 10 points

Consolation Max Points: 33 points

Continental Win: 3 points
Getting to R12: +5 points
Continental R12 Win: 5 points
Continental Bronze: 20 points
Continental Silver: 33 points
Continental Gold: 55 points

Continental Max Points: 106 points

World Cup Repechage Win: 1 point
Participation in World Cup (for all 12 participants): +5 points
World Cup Win: 5 points
Getting to R8: +8 points
World Cup R8 Win: 8 points
World Cup Bronze: 40 points
World Cup Silver: 66 points
World Cup Gold: 110 points

World Cup Max Points: 180 points (183 with Repechage)

Repechage Win needs to be as low as a Consolation Round-Robin Win, so managers from weaker nations wouldn't get incentive to CT a match just so they could get more coach points.

The ratio I took for Gold/Silver/Bronze is simply a ratio from tennis GS tournaments where a winner gets 2000, finalist 1200, semi-finalist 720, so:

Silver = Bronze * 1.666
Gold = Silver * 1.666



Last edited by tunjevinа at 08/09/2022 08:16:38

By Continental, do you mean the World Cup Qualifiers? For a country just outside of the top 4 in my continent (and Asia generally being a weaker continent), continental wins are much easier to get compared to Consolation wins. And another thing about the Consolation tourney (which I seriously dislike), the pairings are like Russian Roulette. You might be really unlucky to get smacked with a lot of strong opponents for the whole season, or get paired with terrible opponent's throughout the season and make the playoffs despite having a weak team.

Giving points based on result against your opponent's NT rankings should be the closest thing to a reliable measure.

I'd be cool with this as well.

I asked for a change that I thought was quite simple and quick to implement, and you made it very complicated :D

I didn’t like your suggestion though, because I don’t think win percentage is the best way to rank managers either. There are a lot more factors. Why make the change to something else if that will also be flawed?