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317827.2 in reply to 317827.1
Date: 02/07/2023 17:55:02
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@Humbuk

I note that your speech is about the performance of your own team, but the part about homegrown talent was amusing.

My question for you is what you have done in the past tenure to improve the team / performance of NZ in the BuzzerBeater world? You will note that I (between Stoke Penguins and Stoke Seals) sacrifice the performance of my teams to train players for U21 and ideally onto the NT. Colesy has done the same thing with his NZ and Utopia teams. As you have pointed out, we are a country of 12 managers - which to me means that those 12 managers, if they really care about the National Teams, should be and could be doing a lot more. How do you intend on rallying the community?

Yours please?

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317827.3 in reply to 317827.2
Date: 02/08/2023 14:41:06
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Thanks for your question Hoddy.

In the past I have worked collaboratively with yourself in some small context but was greatly more with our most successful manager in Te Arikiki. If you noticed too my squad has 11 home based players. In previous years I have used NZ players with a few imports once I got to the top league I tried to survive. Since I was relegated back down now my focus for this season is really pushing my Draftees and 20 yo more often. They will get more game time & training. So I have definitely jumped on board the waka of training players before my own team this season, and have given me a lot to think about.

If successful in my appointment, I will look to make contact with every single manager and hope I get a reply, I will have collaborative disucssions on players and work together to develop training plan that best suits the player for club & country success.

As a teacher, I think I have the qualities to build positive relationships with the managers of this country and to help increase engagement in Buzzerbeater that they stay around and continue to play and help us improve our nation. Any other questions please feel free to sing out!

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Date: 02/09/2023 14:21:08
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@Finno

Any speech for the election?

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317827.5 in reply to 317827.1
Date: 02/09/2023 14:50:21
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@FE

Very interesting proposition that you have put forward. I’ve been the manager for the past few seasons and a training plan would certainly be beneficial, some years we’ve got all big men, some years all guards.

I’m not so sure that you would need to keep things exclusive to NZ managers, to be honest, of the ones I’ve had dealings with there are realistically 5-6 of the 13 that are active enough to make it work, if there were other Aussies etc that wanted to raise Kiwis then I definitely think you’d need them to be able to compete.

How would you intend on communicating with the local managers? Would you try and train some Kiwis yourself?

I think in theory it is very exciting, but then the actual execution may be challenging.

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317827.6 in reply to 317827.5
Date: 02/10/2023 07:46:36
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Hey, thanks for reading it all.

Well, i think it would be most beneficial for NZ managers because of the Merch bump you get with homegrown NT players. It certainly doesn't have to be exclusive NZ managers, but i'm not sure other managers would be as invested. I'm certainly up for training one myself.

In practice i probably only need 4 managers, 2 for each build to get the benefit to the NT.

As far as communication, most NT teams/countries have an offsite forum to organise and put scouting info.

It would be a challenge for sure. But why not try? Even if no one wants to do the training plans, i'm confident i can eek out some improvement with everything i've learned over 20+ season for some improved results.

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317827.7 in reply to 317827.6
Date: 02/10/2023 16:38:51
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Hey Fe,

Quick question similar to what Hoddy asked me, I know you said that Australia don’t really wanna change manager for their country position. So just a couple questions about us as a country and our players in this game.

What have you done in the past seasons of BB to improve kiwi players if any? as i see your team consists of your rookie class for australia and one older homegrown player rest is imports?
Second Q is are we just targeted as an easy nation to get votes for because of our low manager base so you can finally get a crack at a national team?
Thirdly, we have tried an offsite forum for managers but it consisted of legit myself, hoddy, colesy and teariki before he left, it’s great you have a training plan outlined but what do you do if managers don’t follow this training plan?

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Date: 02/10/2023 18:51:10
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Hi thanks for the questions.

I'll leave the first question, because it seems more appropriate for a manager that plays in New Zealand. I obviously haven't trained any NZ NT players. I routinely provide advice when asked to managers around the BB world.

I look to New Zealand for the opportunity for a few main reasons.

1. No language barrier to explain sometimes complex concepts.
2. In the same Cup as Austrlia
3. Given the U21 team rank I think i can improve it the most
4. I thought i could gain a bit more manager involved to beat Australia given our friendly national rivalry

Yes, my older homegrown player is the result of one of the training plans. He was MVP of DIV II last season despite not being top 15 in mins played and top 13 in salary. He's versatile, being able to play PG and C/PF without a rating or production drop. Thats the flexibility you will need in the NT because it opens up alot of tactical options to be less predictable. It'll also covers up for anyone elses training plans that are less than optimal.

I think thats great activity in the off-site forum. The Australian team has two. The two managers.

If managers dont want to participate in the training plan, thats fine. I certainly am not here to tell anyone how they get enjoyment out of the game. That's up to them. But, i'm confident i can squeeze more performance out of the current crop of players because i have the experience.

Thats not a knock on the current managers, but I've played for longer and understand why i've had success.

Last edited by FE at 02/10/2023 22:47:50

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Date: 02/13/2023 22:33:44
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Best wishes to you both, look forward to working with whichever is the successful candidate.