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From: Wagner

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Date: 12/15/2025 5:08:19 AM
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Sorry for the unfortunate incident. A new match has been arranged for today.

Alright, well, thanks for reacting to this rematch request in a quick manner kecal and Monēta. (Sometimes it can get problematic when/if we are in a time pressed situation like Playoffs, if managers don't login often, and especially, if both/all of the affected managers would have that habit of not logging in often/reacting to BBMails or forum messages quickly).

Therefore I didn't have to make an attempt to reschedule this days´other real life activities due to not being able to verify new match link in time (when I now got to login).

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Date: 12/15/2025 5:35:49 AM
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I guess, I feel sorry for demars for the unnecessary stress this situation caused. Changing the default lineup just to ensure that the other manager might still accept the game challenge shortly before tip-off is far from an optimal solution. That said, there probably isn’t an optimal solution to this situation anyway, unless it becomes automated on the BB side (hopefully in the future).

It can be counted as unnecessary stress, yes... It's a downside of "all-manual league" such as HGL.
Luckily though, we didn't face an awkward situation of him not figuring out this "best of the worst options"-solution of setting a new default lineup and then losing match - then we would've been in a tricky situation.
(Now it's kind of a no brainer which resulted "a free ticket" for demars to Second Round of Playoffs, so at least end result was something he had hoped to achieve).

We could reach such situation in the future though if similar kind of situation gets repeated, so that's why clear penalties would likely be the easiest "solution" to this; but again we'll return to the same problem that I mentioned about, that it's not ideal at all that one would have to login daily at certain time to see if someone has or hasn´t broken the rules.

Anyway, as mentioned, it was as brilliant solution (setting new default lineup) from demars as possible in this situation, and serves as a good example of "best of the worst options"-solution for rest of us for the future (should similar kind of situation occur again).

HGL becoming official part of BB, and therefore becoming "an automated" league would of course solve many problems (while of course in practice any control over any development aspects of the league would be lost simultaneously), but as it seems new owners have not recently been extremely communicative in terms of how they're going to develop BB in the future (reading some threads gives me idea they are going to make big changes to BB in future?), I would't go all in to say HGL will become official part of BB.


I think it’s unfortunate that this has come up in our small HG community, where I would hope for completely open and fair communication between everyone. Of course, real life sometimes intervenes and takes priority over everything else. At the moment, cthulhu hasn’t logged in for 10 days, which is unusual for a manager who has always been active, so I truly hope there isn’t a serious real-life situation behind this.

I agree that the organization of play-off games is a discussion we should continue, in order to hear ideas from other managers and perhaps find a balanced solution that works, or even conclude that the current system already works best.



As you have described in detail, this situation is certainly not as straightforward as it would be in a perfect world. I definitely support a minimalistic rules approach for the HGL, however, in this case, the manager who did everything right had to suffer due to the actions, or rather the lack of action, of another manager.


It is indeed a balancing act, and there are multiple sides/points in all this that are not perfect. It is what we're going to have to deal with though, but that's not to say I wouldn't want to hear ideas on how to possibly improve on some things. I do that kind of pondering quite a lot myself (in terms of development ideas), but often times I end up with similar kind of results as what I described in earlier message (how the current rule of Playoff match organizing goes), which is more or less "things are complicated when you think of them thoroughly, and often times no perfect/simple solution that always works optimally in every situation can be found".

It is definitely my wish as well that we keep on communicating in completely open and fair manner, and just like you said, I just hope it's not something serious real world issue that has caused cthulhu not logging in recently.


From: Wagner

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Date: 12/21/2025 10:46:25 AM
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Quarter-Finals have been played, and Semifinals on HGL Season 3 look like this:

Rank #1 VPO vs. #4 KKS (Match organized and links provided; VPO please add match link to your box score post)

Rank #2 HAD vs. #3 RAJ (Match organized and links provided)

Team names that are bolded, are home teams that are responsible for sending PU match challenge (as usual).

Please proceed in match organizing process as soon as possible (to allow time for some unexpected events, and for other team to accept challenge, and for your own tactics&lineup setup once match has been organized).

Last edited by Wagner at 12/24/2025 7:13:57 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 12/24/2025 7:20:34 AM
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Merry Christmas to all HGL managers (who are celebrating Christmas, I don't know whether or not all of us are), and thank you for (already almost) 3 first HGL Seasons!

Next Christmas, if all goes as planned, we should be playing already 7th HGL Season...

But let's see, if we can for instance get HGL meet organized before that. Personally I think that would be great idea, but I don't know what other managers (in addition to LennuK., whose post could be interpreted as showing green light to that idea at least in theory) think of that idea.
(I realize it's practically impossible to get everyone of us in one place at any given time even if everyone would consider this being a good idea worth implementing, but more realistic goal could be to get as many to participate as possible).

From: Wagner

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Date: 12/28/2025 5:20:05 PM
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We have results from Season 3 Semifinals, and home teams were as strong as ever.

Svätý Jur Snakers were scoring at will, nailing 146 (!) points against strong Rajdersi team, and meanwhile breaking some Playoff records as Hadár pointed out. They were dominating (once again) on the glass, winning boards 55-31. Also FG% was almost 60, which is nearly always a recipe for a disaster for any HGL opponent of HAD. Speaking of 60, that was the number of points for A. Kubinaň (HAD), and 4 of his players had match rating of 18.0 or better. They're not easy to beat when they have such a huge day - on the other hand, to be fair, I can't imagine when they would be easy to beat.

In other Semifinal, Virtus Portici was able to restrict KK Stihija to 27,5% FG%. While KKS fought respectable 20 second chance attempts to themselves (vs. VPO´s 11), VPO´s defense was (yes, once again) very hard obstacle to overcome, underlined with 14 blocks (against KKS´s 5). Even M. Kavazić´s (KKS) 11 offensive and 9 defensive rebounds weren´t enough to make this match a close call - can't blame him for lack of attempt! VPO´s combined strong defense, and scoring almost on every second FG attempt (49,4%) finally sealed the deal and made sure VPO´s home arena Pala-Fitta still remains an insurmountable obstacle for HGL teams. The capacity is 25550 and we had 4903 spectators in semifinal - Hadár, please send 20000 of your fans to Italy in Finals so that we can get the arena filled... :D

Will this home dominance continue, or change in Finals and in Bronze match? As mentioned, once in HGL history away team has been able to surprise home team in Medal game Round.

I'd expect next Round (Finals, Bronze match) to be much more even than this Sundays' semifinal matches.

We have some experience on VPO vs. HAD matches (including meeting in Finals before), but RAJ and KKS have never met in a Medal game - that should become very interesting match as well!


Final:
Rank #1 VPO vs. #2 HAD *waiting for match link!*

Bronze match:
Rank #3 RAJ vs. # 4 KKS *waiting for match link!*



Last edited by Wagner at 12/28/2025 5:27:07 PM

From: demars
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Date: 12/28/2025 5:48:47 PM
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I bet on defense so my vote goes to VPO ;)

From: Hadár

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Date: 12/29/2025 3:42:51 AM
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VPO is huge favorite in final, but maybe a miracle will happen :)

From: Wagner

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Date: 12/31/2025 5:56:46 AM
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VPO is huge favorite in final, but maybe a miracle will happen :)

I hope it will become a very even match. Both of you are playing in highest leagues of your country, Hadár´s record in Slovensko Extraliga is 10W-11L (4th in their group in "regular BB-league"), while SventraCanestri has been able to steer his team to 4 wins and 17 losses in Serie A (7th in their group) this season.

World rankings currently: VPO 587th, HAD 655th.

HAD has a major advantage in top8-player salaries, but VPO has been able to be the stronger side so far in their previous meetings. Playing on away court is an additional challenge for HAD, but maybe those 20000 fans would help - you are the manager and probably the chairman of the club as well, so maybe you can take some part of the next years' budget and order 300-400 charter buses that´ll travel to Italy on Sunday, filled with your fans... ;D

As for Bronze medal match, KK Stihija has a major advantage in top8-salaries against Rajdersi, but Rajdersi was able to win Regular Season meeting by 9 points, by winning 4th quarter by 9. While RAJ was able to collect only 6(!) assists in their statistics on 31 made field goals (KKS on the other hand scored 25 out of their 33 made field goals from assists). On the other hand RAJ took care of the ball well, with only 4 turnovers (KKS 12).

So I hope it's going to be a close match for Bronze medal as well! Rajdersi is a HGL defending Bronze medalist, and they get to try to defend that medal in their home court in Poland, Flash Arena.

Good luck to all to medal games!

Last edited by Wagner at 12/31/2025 6:16:45 AM

From: Wagner

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Date: 12/31/2025 6:23:37 AM
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@all HGL managers:

It'll be soon time to create a schedule for HGL Season 4.

We discussed earlier of the possibility to change match blocks from one round to another, to lightly shuffle the HGL schedule.

In practice it would mean, that teams would face different opposition on different Rounds (compared to first three HGL Regular Seasons).

For instance, Regular Season Round 4 matches could be made to swap places with Round 8 matches, RS Round 2 matches could be made to swap places with RS Round 11 matches, or something like that - you get the idea (I hope).

Everyone playing in HGL on Season 4, please let me know of your opinion:
should we change schedule like that or should we keep it exactly as it is (the match order during Regular Season, so that you would face same opponents on a same order as usual)?

From: Hadár

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I think that can change.

From: WiMaOl

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Date: 12/31/2025 11:48:03 AM
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a bit of change will be good

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