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Unfortunately, I would interpret it as if he had no interest in the HGL anymore. It's sad to see one of the original managers playing from S1 to go in such a manner. When someone is not up for the HGL for whatever reason, then the least one could do ist just communicate it to us. We have had a couple of managers leaving HGL after clearly communicating it, with at least one manager who has returned since. This lack of communication has certainly done some damage, should TRO potentially want to join HGL again sometime in the future.

I agree with all you said, these were good points.

It's always better to be communicative about one's depart/leaving HGL, than to just "ghost themselves out of HGL", like you said. It takes no more effort than writing 1-2 sentences, if one chooses to "go minimal" in their apporoach/announcement. If that's too much to ask, then I don't know what to say anymore.

"Departing" HGL that way surely does some damage, like you mentioned. While with current rules it doesn't close doors from HGL for them for good, for instance now that I just recently contacted some teams (as mentioned in another posts), I didn't contact teams that had been previously playing in HGL, even if they would've nicely fitted into this 100-200K top8-salary range (a range, that "honors" team that have been waiting for quite long to be able to participate to HGL-PL and is currently at sub-200K salary levels, keeping in mind that there's likely only 1 place on offer to HGL through HGL-PL this time around).

That doesn't mean that I wouldn't have accepted them to HGL-PL if they would've (or still would) contact me about HGL-PL participation, but each of them have had their reasons exiting HGL or being kicked out of HGL, so I wanted to let them do the initiative if they feel like they'd be willing to take another shot at HGL.


I hope this same (fading/ghosting out of HGL) isn't true with HB though, as like we've seen, he hasn't been communicating recently at all (despite multiple BBMails and requests sent to him on HGL Threads) and has been logging in only very few times; if my memory serves me it was about June 10th/11th or something like that, and then next time was June 21st, and he hasn't logged in since).

Last edited by Wagner at 6/28/2026 7:54:21 AM

It's quite surprising to see not 1 but 2 HGL teams depart (or in Hadboll's case - awol) in such a manner.

On a positive note, Wagner, your detailed efforts in creating and communicating the rules has allowed you to act quickly, and for those of us not involved, see your hard work more clearly. Rule breaks will never be a positive thing, but i am glad you are prepared for them.

@ LennuK. Sorry you didn't your game, mate. Onto the next round though...

I wish I could be surprised, but we've in fact had so many surprising departs throughout these 5 Seasons, that almost nothing catches me by surprise anymore. I'd like to remind, that Season 4 has - if my memory serves me correctly - been the only Season after which there hasn't been changes in HGL team composition.

Why I personally don't feel 100% surprised these kind of things take place, of course I'm very disappointed on such exits from HGL.

It is true that it partly now pays off that some problematic scenarios have already been noted (and penalties set for them) in HGL rules, yet of course certain problems/challenges will always remain as we don't have the complete control of the platform, in other words BB (we don't have an access to non-public BB information, in other words we can't "see under the hood" so to speak, for example in terms of being to see which actions managers have taken when they've logged in order to be able to verify if one has or hasn't done some specific action they're supposed to do, etc.).

As far as HB's situation is concerned, I sent him another BBMail about forfeit loss and request to reply immediately about whether or not he's still committed to participate to Season 6 - we can't have non-communicative managers in HGL especially during pre-season, when matches are being organized.

Last edited by Wagner at 6/28/2026 9:06:58 AM

Wagner wrote:
[...]we can't have non-communicative managers in HGL especially during pre-season, when matches are being organized.

MrJ wrote:
I agree. The pickup style of our league demands that communication have greater importance than anywhere else in BB.

Exactly. We would have similar problems during RS too, if matches wouldn't have been organized in one go. It's a good practice also in that sense, that it takes some pressure away (and saves some time) for everyone, but on Playoffs and during pre-season there's no room for being non-communicative, or at the very least not taking care of the tasks that are demanded from one's team. Yes, communication platform in BB is very archaic, but it is what it is and we've all seen things can be done by using it.

Also, often times it's been the case that teams that have quit communication have not ended fulfilling their duties, so while of course it's more important to fulfill your duties than communicate (should there be a situation where for some reason one wouldn't have time for both), there will surely be problematic situations in future as well, so I think it's decent enough to demand/require at least some level of communication as well with regards to replying to important requests by HGL/questions from HGL.

Stats by country regular season 4

Rank_Cty___NoT_GP___W____L___PF/G___PA/G___PD/G___WLR
01____SVK____1___045___043___02___112.5____086.5____+26.0____0.956
02____ARG____1___015___014___01___117.5____080.9____+36.7____0.933
03____POL____1___062___049___13___108.2____096.4____+11.8____0.790
04____BIH____1___047___034___13___096.4____083.4____+13.0____0.723
05____LTU____1___032___020___12___106.9____101.7____+05.3____0.625
06____SWE____1___047___027___20___097.7____096.1____+01.5____0.574
07____ITA____2___094___052___42___090.1____086.0____+04.0____0.553
08____FRA____4___203___112___91___102.5____097.4____+05.2____0.552
09____LVA____1___062___028___34___102.5____102.7____-00.2____0.452
10____FIN____3___124___054___70___097.7____100.9____-03.1____0.435
11____EST____2___064___025___39___104.0____106.9____-02.8____0.391
12____ESP____1___062___022___40___090.7____094.3____-03.6____0.355
13____AUS____2___062___014___48___086.4____113.6____-27.2____0.226
14____USA____3___045___008___37___085.3____111.5____-26.2____0.178
15____URY____1___062___010___52___088.9____105.9____-17.0____0.161

Here are the updated stats by countries after the regular season 5.

Rank_Cty___NoT_GP___W____L____PF/G___PA/G___PD/G___WLR
01____SVK____1___045___043___002___112.5____086.5____+26.0____0.956
02____ARG____1___015___014___001___117.5____080.9____+36.7____0.933
03____POL____1___079___064___015___108.8____095.8____+12.9____0.810
04____BIH____1___064___048___016___100.1____085.6____+14.5____0.750
05____LTU____1___049___034___015___106.7____098.8____+07.9____0.694
06____FRA____4___271___154___117___103.2____098.0____+05.1____0.568
07____ITA____2___128___070___058___090.6____087.3____+03.3____0.547
08____LVA____1___079___041___038___106.7____103.5____+03.2____0.519
09____SWE____1___064___033___031___098.0____98.1____-00.1____0.516
10____EST____2___098___042___056___103.6____104.1____-00.5____0.429
11____FIN____3___158___059___099___097.1____104.8____-07.7____0.373
12____ESP____1___079___029___050___092.2____095.0____-02.8____0.367
13____AUS____2___079___015___064___088.5____113.9____-25.4____0.190
14____USA____3___045___008___037___085.3____111.5____-26.2____0.178
15____URY____1___079___012___067___089.7____107.9____-18.2____0.152

Cty=Country, NoT=Number of distinct teams, GP=Games played, W=Wins, L=Losses, PF/G=Points scored for per game, PA/G=Points scored against per game, PD/G=Scoring difference per game, WLR=Win-Loss-Ratio

Countries in italic font have currently no active teams in HGL.


If you are interested, I am keeping a similar table for the PO rounds too. Also, I am keeping track of the all-time table of HGL by individual teams, both for RS and PO rounds. If you are interested, I can also share this information with you.

Last edited by LA-LennuK at 6/28/2026 12:24:02 PM

Stats by country regular season 4
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If you are interested, I am keeping a similar table for the PO rounds too. Also, I am keeping track of the all-time table of HGL by individual teams, both for RS and PO rounds. If you are interested, I can also share this information with you.

YES, we are interested! If it's easy enough for your to publish them here, they would definitely be interesting (if that's how you meant it - if you meant it that you can share them with interested individuals instead, that's of course fine too).

Last edited by Wagner at 6/28/2026 7:59:44 PM

Here comes the all-time regular season league table, which is ordered by the cumulative points each individual team has gotten over the seasons. The awarding of points is identical to the point distribution during regular seasons, with a win awarding 2 points, loss giving 1 point and a forfeit loss giving 0 points.

Rank__Team__GP__W__L___F__PF/G___PA/G___PD/G__WLR___Pts
01____RAJ___79__64__15__0__108.8__095.8__+12.9__0.810__143
02____ED____79__55__24__0__104.5__093.6__+10.9__0.696__134
03____VPO___64__63__01__0__101.4__075.8__+25.6__0.984__127
04____WMO__79__47__32__0__104.6__099.8__+04.8__0.595__126
05____LMS___79__41__38__0__106.7__103.5__+03.2__0.519__120
06____LGM___79__37__42__0__099.5__097.2__+02.4__0.468__116
07____WAG__79__36__43__0__103.6__104.9___-01.3__0.456__115
08____KKS___64__48__16__1__100.1__085.6__+14.5__0.750__111
09____MAD__79__29__50__0__092.2__095.0___-02.8__0.367__108
10____HB____64__33__31__0__098.0__098.1__-00.1__0.516___97
11____EOS___64__28__36__0__103.9__104.6__-00.7__0.438___92
12____TRO___79__12__67__2__089.7__107.9__-18.2__0.152___89
13____HAD___45__43__02__0__112.2__086.8__+25.4__0.956__88
14____VIV____49__34__15__0__106.7__098.8__+07.9__0.694__83
15____FRE____64__07__57__0__079.8__098.8__-19.0__0.109__71
16____SUM___45__23__22__0__096.7__092.6__+04.1__0.511__68
17____HGK____64__04__60__0__084.3__119.6__-35.3__0.063__68
18____VDT____34__15__19__0__105.1__106.1__-01.0__0.441__49
19____BCR____34__14__20__0__102.9__103.1__-00.3__0.412__48
20____ALA____34__00__34__0__082.6__120.5__-38.0__0.000__34
21____SED____15__14__01__0__117.5__080.9__+36.7__0.933__29
22____HEY____15__11__04__0__106.3__089.5__+16.8__0.733__26
23____HCH____15__05__10__0__096.9__100.1__-03.2__0.333__20
24____BUC____15__02__13__0__090.9__117.0__-26.1__0.133__17
25____BIG____15__01__14__0__068.3__117.4__-49.1__0.067__16

GP=Games played, W=Wins, L=Losses, F=Forfeit losses, PF/G=Points scored for per game, PA/G=Points scored against per game, PD/G=Scoring difference per game, WLR=Win-Loss-Ratio, Pts=Points in the table

Teams in italic font were not active in the current season of HGL.

Last edited by LA-LennuK at 6/29/2026 8:14:47 AM

Same all-time tables with individual teams and countries I would share with you after the POs of this HGL season have concluded, to provide only the most up to date stats.

Same all-time tables with individual teams and countries I would share with you after the POs of this HGL season have concluded, to provide only the most up to date stats.

Excellent job, LA-LennuK, thanks very much! :)
These tables are very interesting "read", just as will the one be that'll be published after PO!

Having seen this second table, personally it added to my understanding/once again reminded/underlined, that I have to find a coach with a special skill of "fixing up a swiss cheese defense-problem"... ;P

special skill of "fixing up a swiss cheese defense-problem"... ;P

easy ... small cauldron ... stealer ... bread ... yum