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From: Wagner

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329501.164 in reply to 329501.161
Date: 2/17/2026 5:14:04 AM
Wagner College
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Wagner wrote: As an added match I'd like to add VDT-HGK, that posed some interesting stats: HGK lost the match by 28, but were able to make a new HGL RS record with total of 32 offensive rebounds! They also won total rebounds 68-37 (31 rebound difference!), but on the other hand mishandled the ball big time (turned over the ball 26 times, of which half of them were VDT's steals) which harmed their chances of winning big time. Of course limited success rate (2 of 14) behind the three point arc while allowing VDT 11 of 23 shooting beyond the arc limited their chances as well, but that was to be expected as drive to the basket-strategy has a strong tendency to cause that (so it was a conscious decision from an experienced manager).


MrJ wrote: Yeah, this was a great learning game for me. Wrong offensive tactics which doesn't play to my strengths. I had plenty of the ball (shot more than VDT, collected more second shots than VDT) and still got hammered. The scoreline doesn't reflect VDT's 1st half demolition of my team. I gained some valuable insights from this match. Yes, I'm disappointed by the end score, but it was n important loss for me.

Well done, VDT! Your salaries are only about $80k more than mine (if my memory serves me correctly), but you played much better than that suggests. Clearly you have trained your players well.

This is where things sometimes get interesting - I have about 90K higher salaries than VDT, and what did they do just a while a go? Won me by 10. (Yes, excellent tactical choices were part of that, but still... Anyway, that's what I wish I'd see even more in BB, that salary underdogs have a good shot at win).

So yes, absolutely a game you could've had a better shot at win, but after meeting VDT earlier, I knew it's going to be a tough night for you (as I on the other hand won you on our previous meeting by 21).

But it's good that you had that kind of attitude towards the loss - you always learn/gain something, if you want to do the work and analyze things a little bit.

What I also hope will help in analyzing your team strengths and weaknesses, are the HGL Team Statistics that just 'got out of the oven' (updated after S4 RS Round 9), as mentioned in one of my previous posts.

As for single player success in that VDT match, I guess you'd be better in writing about that. But if we take your X.Tsattalios as an example - who you've mentioned often, and who is the highest rating player in your league, Australia III.2 - he had an off night. Normally match rating in III.2 is 15.0 (86th in whole Australia), now was 12.5.
Typically his AST/TO rating is 4,86 (3rd in league, 58th nationwide), but now in this match 0,29.
Typically he will dish out 10,0 assists/48 minutes of play in your league games, but now he had 2 assists in 48 minutes.

Of course it's not totally "fair" comparison, as you don't face such challenge in your current "regular BB league", but it's still sometimes interesting to compare some typical league stats to a single HGL match success (or to a HGL Regular Season success, should we have some of those player stats available in the future).

Last edited by Wagner at 2/17/2026 5:16:09 AM

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329501.165 in reply to 329501.147
Date: 2/18/2026 3:09:04 AM
BC Rajaleidjad
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Yea, I plan to continue as a HG team for the foreseeable future and HGL is a way to make this journey more enjoyable.

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Date: 2/18/2026 12:16:15 PM
Virtus Portici
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I'm in for Season 5

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329501.168 in reply to 329501.167
Date: 2/20/2026 7:15:48 AM
Wagner College
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I'm in for Season 5

Thank you for your announcement SventraCanestri - I had already marked your team with ++ status (continuous participation-status) based on your last summers' continuous commitment-announcement, but it's always positive thing to reconfirm it on Official Thread!

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Date: 2/20/2026 7:19:56 AM
Wagner College
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Yea, I plan to continue as a HG team for the foreseeable future and HGL is a way to make this journey more enjoyable.

That's nice to hear you're finding HGL adds positive things to your HG journey - same goes with me. Besides, one could say that you did step in at a perfect time (at least from possible success-standpoint) as you already have very competitive team for the league and therefore you don't need to wait for several seasons in order for your team to be able to compete in high level in HGL.
How do you see it - is medal your goal at the end of Season 4?

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329501.170 in reply to 329501.169
Date: 2/28/2026 4:45:03 AM
London Rams
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Hello
Maybe I'm in for Season 5 .
Young HG team :)

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329501.172 in reply to 329501.170
Date: 3/1/2026 5:36:13 AM
Wagner College
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Hello
Maybe I'm in for Season 5 .
Young HG team :)

Hello UKAndrius,
Thank you for your message!
You said maybe, so I'd like to ask couple of things.

How does your maybe translate into, say, percentages? Does it mean like you'd like to join with 30%, 50%, 70% or 90% probability?

So your best player (Stannard) seems to be a bought one, so I guess you plan to sell him?

Also Seymour is not drafted by you, so you plan to sell him also before you'd possibly join HGL?

Have you been reading through about 18 first post on this Official Thread, and about 12 first posts on HGL Scores Thread to get the idea of HGL rules and practices?

As for current participation announcements, all but one current HGL manager (M a k e, manager of Alanurmon Rikkaat) have announced about their willingness to continue on Season 5.

Then as for new teams for Season 5, San Fernando VR (VR 75) announced they'd be interested also in playing on Season 5.

Then obviously we could or might not receive any new requests on Season 5 participation. We have not for instance received a request from Hadár (Svätý Jur Snakers), who might or might not be willing to join. He is aware though, that usually the deadline for for announcing participation is at the end of Regular Season of each Season (while of course he has seen that in practice often teams have been accpeted later as well, if reasonably possible).

This addition of many teams would put us in a place where match amounts would increase a lot. We are already playing 17 Rounds in Regular Season.
I think about 20 teams in a league is starting to be very close to even somewhat comfortable/bearable maximum limit (which would create 19 Rounds of play per RS, right??), as already now there are 2 of 3 games weeks, which is a bit much per week (and as said, I don't think Season should be extended in terms of timeline).

So, let's say for purposes of an example that Alanurmon Rikkaat would decide they'd want to continue in HGL on Season 5 as well, and then San Fernando VR and your team would be accepted for Season 5. That would put us to 20 teams already. Let's then assume that Hadár would announce of their interest in joining, which would put us into a relatively uncomfortable and crowded setup of 21 teams, requiring 21 Rounds instead of 19 Rounds, if 20 teams would play. ((With this though, we would definitely be closing into a situation that demars (manager of Elan Demars) mentioned, "I think 3 games per week is too much")).

There are two "easy" solutions to this though:
A) let's use end of Regular Season as a strict timeline for accepting new teams (so if you're late for that, then wait for one more season to join)
B) let's make a play-in league/playoffs for 'new-to-HGL' teams (here meaning teams that are looking forward to joining HGL immediately for the next Season), which would take during the current Seasons' HGL Playoffs.

This (addition of new teams, up to 20) also creates another layer of challenges, as if there would be 20 teams playing, I feel like at that point there would be a need to allow 2 more teams into Playoffs, so 14 instead of 12. (I have a planned system for this sort of situation already, as our current system allows that with only one minor chage, but I haven't had time to take this into discussion, and that situation still stands currently in terms of being short on time).

This also is a borderline decision that might (or might not?) require voting, and we can't (shouldn't) do that in a rush. Also, one could say it's a major change (while another person could say it's not), so it's also necessary to consider which percentage of positive votes (to favor the change) would be required for the change (of number of teams to Playoffs) to take place; would it be 50%, two thirds or more, or possibly 75% or more, etc.

It's also necessary to remember, that HGL is an all-manual-league and adding even one more team adds matches a lot.

Last edited by Wagner at 3/11/2026 6:42:20 AM

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Date: 3/4/2026 4:23:54 AM
London Rams
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Hello, make groups A and B with 10 teams each. 1st and 2nd places go to the quarterfinals. 3rd-6th places play in the knockout stage.

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Date: 3/11/2026 7:20:22 AM
Wagner College
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Hello, make groups A and B with 10 teams each. 1st and 2nd places go to the quarterfinals. 3rd-6th places play in the knockout stage.

Hello UKAndrius,
Thanks for your response, but I didn't see any responses yet to any of my questions to you...

As for change of league system in HGL - sorry but I don't think that kind of change would occur in HGL. This proposition that you presented unfortunately also has some major downsides, which have been discussed in great detail earlier (including it's not ever possible to divide teams totally fairly among conferences - even if all would play all, based on which conference your team would be put into, it would affect how easy or hard it would be to reach certain position within a group), and this proposition of yours wouldn't actually change the number of teams included in Playoffs (I guess that wasn't your intention anyway).

If we change amount of teams that qualify for Playoffs from 12 to 14, then I'd by far prefer to use our current system with only two minor changes:
1. Only 2 teams would receive "a free ticket" to Round 2 (quarter-final Round)
2. Teams at positions 3-14 in Regular Season would play First Round in Playoffs (so 12 teams instead of 8), and 6 winners would proceed to Second Round (when also 2 best teams of RS would be included into Playoffs, as a playing teams).

So these simple changes would (should?) do the trick, if we'd want to add the number of included teams to Playoffs.

Whether we want that or not, is another discussion.

One way could be to pre-determine that based on participating teams/given season, for instance:
- if 18 teams or more participate > 14 to Playoffs
- if 17 or less teams participate > 12 to Playoffs.

Last edited by Wagner at 3/11/2026 8:22:15 AM

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