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Thank you for your support in the matter. It very much needed inthe community given our difference of such things in views.. Great to see an advocate for clean discussion without” snark remarks” and a official advocate for these matters from respect staff as your self.

Only you can lead the way.!

Last edited by Big city at 8/9/2026 1:55:21 PM

Hello managers,

I'd like to add my perspective to this discussion. I think the tendency to blame users for "exploiting loopholes" when they are simply optimizing within what the engine itself allows is frankly dishonest and unfair. If the engine permits something, using it well is strategy, not abuse — the responsibility for closing gaps lies with the people who built and maintain the engine, not with the managers who found them.

That said, I do think adjustments and balance changes are necessary from time to time. But they need to be announced and communicated properly, with reasonable notice, so managers aren't blindsided or punished retroactively for playing within the existing rules.

What's genuinely frustrating is that this has been going on for roughly ten years now, and there's still no real willingness from the operators to learn from this pattern or engage with it constructively. And it's even more frustrating that the operators don't seem to connect the ongoing decline in the user base with their own shortcomings in communication and customer support. That connection should be obvious by now.

Thank you for your attention to this matter. It's a big problem, a very big problem, and I think a lot of people would agree with me on that, believe me. Nobody's talked about this more than me. We're going to see. We'll see what happens.

Hello everyone,

Those who are opposed to making changes keep talking about how unfair these changes are. But what often gets overlooked is the actual flaw in the game.

When someone uses outside defense, they can gain a relative advantage simply because of the way the game is structured. Is it really logical, in your view, that outside defense is effective against outside attack, balanced attack, and inside attack, while inside defense is effectively useful against none of them?

And when someone figures out this flaw, does that really make them a very clever manager, or does it simply mean they have discovered an imbalance in the game?

There was a time when everyone was using man-to-man defense and Look Inside. Now everyone is using outside defense.

As long as properly using defense cannot effectively counter the corresponding offensive strategy, the game still has a flaw.

If inside defense cannot stop inside attack, then that is a flaw in the game.

In my opinion, the fundamental problems with the game are still there. The changes that have been introduced so far do not actually solve these issues or eliminate the underlying flaws.

For the game to improve, making significant changes to the match engine should become something that the whole community pushes for.

Using creative ways to win is great. But let's not call this kind of nonsense “creative strategies.”

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Rebuttal: Understanding Game Mechanics vs. Complaining About the Meta

Let's me break this down in plain terms. Calling a popular strategy a "game flaw" misses how sports manager games actually work. In a game like BuzzerBeater, players are always going to test the limits and figure out what gets results. What looks like a "broken game" is usually not the case.


1. Outside Defense Isn't a Magic Cheat Code
Saying Outside Defense (OD) works against everything while Inside Defense (ID) is useless is a big oversimplification.
Think about how a basketball play actually unfolds. OD hits the offense early—it disrupts passes, slows down ball-handlers, and messes up team flow before a shot even gets taken. Inside defense happens closer to the rim, working together with shot-blocking and rebounding to protect the paint. If OD feels like it's stopping every type of offense, it usually means the attacking team is missing the secondary skills (like good passing or driving) needed to punish that outside pressure—not that inside defense is worthless


2. Respecting the Years of Grinding and the Market
What’s actually broken isn’t the engine itself—it’s the knee-jerk habit of taking things away or messing with builds that players have invested massive amounts of time into.
You aren't understanding the tightness of the culture and the transfer market here. When a great player is brought to debut, it takes years of that type of player being trained and developed. You completely neglect that reality. To not respect that is to not respect your own grind as a manager. Yes, we are going to need some quality-of-life updates, but let’s stop making that the excuse to label the engine or game as fundamentally "broken."

The engine responds to its maker, which is the community. Every single build, good or bad, belongs to the community. The community couldn’t build certain builds in exact way needed, therefore it built hybrids. That was the community adapting to allow us to play 2-3, 1-3-1, full-court press, Motion, and Princeton. You neglect all of that just to label it a "game flaw." The proof is right in front of you. Tearing down foundations or altering mechanics because people are complaining about the current meta completely disrespects the long-term dedication it takes to compete at a high level

3. Adaptation vs. Stagnation
Every sports game goes through phases. The meta used to be Look Inside with Man-to-Man defense; now managers lean heavily on outside defense. That isn't proof of a broken engine—it’s proof of an evolving game. In real-life basketball, three-point analytics completely changed how teams are built. Managers who adapt to the numbers win games. Managers who demand the game engine be rewritten usually just don't want to change their playstyle.


4.The Basketball Reality: Why Zones Matter
I wasn't even here when Look Inside was dominant, but from what I’ve read, that era lasted for about 10 years. And even back then, I've read that people were still beating it using Motion and Patience offenses at times—not every single time, but they found answers.
To sit here and argue that Man-to-Man defense should outright be stronger than a zone defense is completely neglecting a ton of basketball factors. At the end of the day, a better-trained player is simply better, but a zone defense is designed to lessen that raw gap. For example, think about real basketball: Shaq isn't nearly as dominant against a well-run zone because he's forced to give the ball up or fight through multiple bodies. If they got a prime Shaq-level player and elite guards on the floor, what is standard Man-to-Man defense really going to do by itself? A zone is going to be the better choice there, wouldn't you say?

5. Strategic Cleverness
Finding a winning combination within the game rules is clever management. Everyone plays with the exact same tools and options. If a group of players c

Last edited by Big city at 8/10/2026 1:43:38 PM

1. I don't want to say anything that comes across as self-congratulatory or gives you the impression that I'm speaking out of pride, but someone like me is part of this game's history. A lot of the changes made to the game were introduced to counter the way I manage my finances and to make it harder for me to create players that are extremely difficult to deal with.

The $25M cash reserve cap, and now the reduction of that cap to $15M, are largely a consequence of the way I have played the game. If these restrictions had never been introduced, instead of reaching five B3 finals and winning three championships, I would probably have many more titles by now.

Even last season, when I was paying more than $2M per week in salaries, one of the factors behind that situation was the reduction of the cash reserve limit.

So why don't you object to this reduction? Isn't this also a rule change designed to limit a particular way of playing?

I have also found ways to get results, only to see restrictive rules repeatedly introduced around them. But this kind of approach can reduce the game's appeal for a lot of players.

Changes should be made to diversify the game and create more strategic variety. You cannot accuse me of not understanding the game simply because I have adapted to its mechanics and found ways to succeed within them.

2. At the B3 level, Inside Defense is simply very weak, while Outside Defense combined with extremely strong shot-blocking centers is remarkably complete and powerful.

Here you bring up real-life basketball as an example. But in real basketball, which player plays the point guard position on offense and then suddenly takes on the role of a center on defense?

Guards are generally shorter and don't have the physical ability to block or effectively defend against tall inside players in the same way a center can.

You can't ignore real basketball when it doesn't support your argument and then bring it up when it does. If we're going to use real basketball as a reference, we need to apply that comparison consistently.

3. From my perspective, salaries were never the actual problem. The real problem is the structure of the game engine itself, and unfortunately, it doesn't look like that part is going to change.

For several more seasons, the same strategies and approaches will remain viable without any meaningful changes.

The salary increases applied to my players were roughly comparable to the increases applied to inside players with high Shot Blocking. So the same strategies are still completely effective.

In other words, the salary change hasn't actually addressed the underlying issue. It has simply made certain players more expensive while leaving the fundamental mechanics that make those strategies effective largely untouched.

4. BuzzerBeater is ultimately a game, and if the goal is to make it more engaging and increase the impact of the person actually playing it, the game should move toward a system where correctly identifying how your opponent is playing gives you a greater chance of winning.

I can identify that my opponent is playing Outside Defense. But none of the offensive tactics can actually function as a meaningful counter to Outside Defense.

So what exactly am I supposed to do? Applaud the game engine for this major weakness and encourage the developers to keep writing code that preserves it?

If I can correctly read my opponent's defensive strategy but the game gives me no meaningful offensive tool to exploit that information, then where exactly is the strategic depth?

Hello,

I dont agree with anything they have recently done. I don't agree with making guys like yourself pay that kind of fine, its uncalled and ruin the spirit of the game.

My point was how the game came to be, the changes throughout. To what it became to be today.The. Engine may not been able to handle what it came to be today, But Do the tactics work, Yes.

We as a community never have got to create the right (correct)builds to make them work or the build is so potential hardcoded and expensive none can create 5-6 player to play the tactic. 125k-225k+ a player .

This was my point the community created hybrids( lean cost but very effective, efficient), so we could get past the cost ,, and to get these tactic to work ,they were working but not any more !!

My. Whole point a lot need to stop screaming loophole when managers like yourself, know the in and out of the game> it not loop hole your player are better than mines and you’ve won more . You didnt use any exploit., That was my points



Does the game has issues, ( yes), ,could it be better (, yes), but. Do i agree with they have done with these updates, (No i dont) my point oint was not towards systemic but gamesmanship.. this what lead to these changes. Bad gamesmanship.


For an example, A manager seeing you have success with better players they cant build and then scream to admin exploit. /loophole .It bad gamesmanship.

1. I don't want to say anything that comes across as self-congratulatory or gives you the impression that I'm speaking out of pride, but someone like me is part of this game's history. A lot of the changes made to the game were introduced to counter the way I manage my finances and to make it harder for me to create players that are extremely difficult to deal with.

The $25M cash reserve cap, and now the reduction of that cap to $15M, are largely a consequence of the way I have played the game. If these restrictions had never been introduced, instead of reaching five B3 finals and winning three championships, I would probably have many more titles by now.

Absolutely, fully right. Big nations generally have many who hoarded a lot of cash because they're either very experienced or older accounts, but still it's very difficult to hoard a lot of cash compared to (no disrespect) nations like Iran where there's barely any competition and you can realistically save more than 150k/week easily while still winning titles and competing in the B3.

With this measure teams like yours will actually be 'forced' to compete properly instead of just saving so much money that you can afford to run a 2M/week salary squad that isn't even with players from your own country or that you trained!

It levels the field for everyone actually, and it also allows newer users to grow up their teams and reach higher levels way faster. Not only that but it will push managers to train more, and the transfer market to become more active which is a win-win for everyone involved in the game, since there's a lot of users just being inactive and they'll be brought back to the game with this measure.

I have also found ways to get results, only to see restrictive rules repeatedly introduced around them. But this kind of approach can reduce the game's appeal for a lot of players.

Changes should be made to diversify the game and create more strategic variety. You cannot accuse me of not understanding the game simply because I have adapted to its mechanics and found ways to succeed within them.

The fan boycott and the 25M limit were already introduced to reduce tanking teams which was a big issue at the time, you didn't find a way to get results, you found a way to still exploit the loophole that is your league giving you way more money than users from countries with more users, and you exploited that in your B3 run as well by sustaining the insanity of 2M salaries a week. Since a lot of seasons ago developers warned that they condone such strategies and they want to reduce them, now they were prompted once again to act because of how many teams were abusing it recently.

In other words, the salary change hasn't actually addressed the underlying issue. It has simply made certain players more expensive while leaving the fundamental mechanics that make those strategies effective largely untouched.

Based on what Marin wrote it looks there's more changes to come so let's see what happens

Is Iran the only country with a small number of users? This ridiculous argument of attributing all my results to the number of users has been made over and over again.
The question is, among all these countries with small user bases, why have Iranian teams reached the later stages of B3 again and again, while teams from other small-user countries haven't even come close to reaching this stage?
In Season 50, when I won B3, three of my players had been trained by me personally. Even in my current team, three players have been trained by me since they were 18 years old.
And I've already predicted my next training strategy based on the upcoming changes.
Ten seasons from now, when I've once again reached the later stages of B3 with relative ease, you'll just come up with a new excuse for your failures and keep complaining.
If I brought up the broader issue, it was because with the 25M budget limit, after 15 seasons of planning and training, you can realistically compete at the top B3 level for one season at most.
Spending five years of real life just to have one season and one chance to compete for the B3 title takes a lot of the enjoyment out of the game.
My entire point was simply that the changes being implemented so far have done nothing to improve the game and haven't brought about any fundamental change to the way the game is played or to its overall gameplay.

Is Iran the only country with a small number of users? This ridiculous argument of attributing all my results to the number of users has been made over and over again.

Read it again, did I attribute your success due to your league having low number of users?

No. I clearly referred to your last season's expenditure of 2M weekly in salaries compared to the majority of your competition being between 1.1M and 1.6M weekly salaries.

Do you think it's fun, and fair for everyone else who also planned for many seasons their B3 runs, to face a team who's having an absolutely absurd disproportional salary expenditure just because they saved a lot of money and want to burn it in one season? And this paragraph is not directed only at your team, but at everyone else who's employed this strategy too.

Spending five years of real life just to have one season and one chance to compete for the B3 title takes a lot of the enjoyment out of the game.

Sounds like a lot of fun to play this way...

My entire point was simply that the changes being implemented so far have done nothing to improve the game and haven't brought about any fundamental change to the way the game is played or to its overall gameplay.

The changes were just implemented, and it looks like there are more to come in order to create a more enjoyable gameplay and to involve more users, give it a few seasons and I'm sure you'll start to notice the effect of the changes