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From: Wagner

To: MrJ
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Date: 6/23/2026 1:33:58 PM
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Wagner wrote:
Today I contacted 8 managers from 6 different countries to see if they'd be interested in HGL-PL and therefore of course HGL participation. Of course not all possible managers were contacted, but that's already a big bunch of managers. Let's see how many of them responds - if even few more would participate to HGL-PL, then it would become "more lively" as currently we'd be having a 1 match Round Robin to decide the winner of HGL-PL.


MrJ wrote:
I am surprised by this move, Wagner. You have contacted 8 more teams who, if interested, would come in cold, have to try and catch up quickly on what the HGL is, and who haven't had to sit and wait patiently as the 2 current teams have.
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I am not trying to call you out, Wagner, but your actions don't match your stated beliefs on the size of the HGL. It seems unfair to bring in 8 more possible teams just to make the HGL-PL more competitive knowing that 9 of them won't be playing for at least another season.

I'm just trying to understand your thinking. And yes, I am motivated to make these comments given that a fellow Aussie team has done everything right, waited patiently, only to now have an additional barrier placed in front of their possible entry into the HGL.

You could always say things don't match. Maybe it's impossible to get everything match always. You're smart in many ways so you can understand, that I'm always going to be in between a tree and a bark, in a crossfire of different wishes and opinions. Add practical limitations to the equations (no one of us likely has 4-6 hours a day to spend for HGL, do we?), and you have a package, that's sometimes a handful. It can be and is rewarding as well, but please keep these things in mind if/when you send requests that require more of this and more of that (time and effort for instance).

Did you consider this, that maybe there wouldn't be so much "pressure" for me to get more teams involved if there wouldn't have been pressure in trying to think ways how to include more HG teams somehow, resulting perhaps in an attempt(s) to include more HG teams somehow (such as this establishing of HGL-PL partly due to that; however it is smart to have it anyway even if there would be no guaranteed places per Season).

For this situation also it seems to go pretty well that it's a balancing act. As a repeat, why I mostly established HGL-PL was to include more HG managers, as community seemed to want that. (And no, please do not repeat in this instance that HGL expansion is what you are looking for and not this change - plus there is no point of voting of something that is not currently an especially viable option).
If some then take it as a negative thing (that you get to participate to some HG games in HGL-PL but are not guaranteed anything else, including place in HGL), what can I say. I guess I can say that nobody is and have not been promised a place in HGL, even if they participate in HGL-PL. Not even the most expensive team, because their win of HGL-PL is not guaranteed.

Other method (on how to determine future HGL participants, should some teams withdraw/be dismissed) would be just to give queue places based on first come first serve, which would be fine as well (and who knows if we return to that some day), but I guess this HGL-PL method at least should bring more competitiveness to and around the HGL.

Last edited by Wagner at 6/23/2026 1:39:31 PM

From: WiMaOl

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Date: 6/23/2026 9:29:37 PM
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From: Monēta

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Date: 6/24/2026 12:43:20 PM
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From: demars
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Date: 6/24/2026 1:43:56 PM
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Date: 6/25/2026 3:30:05 AM
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Spela hasn't logged in since the last round of the regular season matches, but the challenge for our PO match is sent and I'm only waiting for them to accept it.

From: Wagner

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Date: 6/25/2026 5:45:28 AM
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This match link is not correct, match should take place on Sunday June 28th.

I suppose "the American way" of presenting weekly calendar did the trick here (?), as last day on that calendar is Saturday.

Anyway, demars and Jioshoo, please organize correct match very soon/ASAP!

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Date: 6/25/2026 6:24:28 AM
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Spela hasn't logged in since the last round of the regular season matches, but the challenge for our PO match is sent and I'm only waiting for them to accept it.

These are awkward situations, that we have faced earlier too (unless my memory fails me, that was the case on Season 3 Playoffs as well with him, but on that Season that Playoff match got organized nevertheless, even though not 100% within required time frame).

Many things make such situations awkward, such as the fact that no clear penalties have been defined for missing the match organizing/accepting deadline (partly because it's pretty hard to prove whose fault it is if both managers have been logging in, and besides I really wouldn't want to make this a 'prove it by screenshot or it didn't happen'-type of league.

So again in here it boils down to two things:
Should strict timeline be required to be followed by both teams in Playoff match organizin , producing penalties if not being strictly followed, and if yes, who would then commit to be in BB in exact time each and every Round, to ensure matches are organized. Plus, there's this afore mentioned "proving" problem (unless clear no login-situation). Note, that there are already mentioned in the rules when one is supposed to accept Playoff match at the latest.

Secondly, fairness aspect.
This is also a multi-faceted thing. I try to view it so that managers have been given reminders to set reminders on important times of HGL Season, as Seasons' full schedule is known months before.
Therefore, while I could send reminders as BBMails to each manager before each Playoff Round, I guess it's necessary to draw a line somewhere. There needs to be a certain amount of commitment and willingness to do the basic amount of work (when participating to HGL as "a regular manager"), so this is also where it's tested. I have occassionally, or actually many times sent even BBMail-reminders to teams who seemed to be at risk of missing their Playoff match organizing windows. It's fine and all, but at the same time some could say that I should then do it in all cases, to be fair to all. Again, that's something I feel like drawing a line into (everyone needs to take that amount of responsibility for functioning of the league), if at all possible.
Also, connected to this, it's not ideal to bind myself into too many things that require access/presence in BB always at exact given time at worst (if matches are not organized before that), such as verification whether or not match has been organized in time.
(And again, we'll reach the possible "proving/faulty manager"-problem here; now let's assume for the purpose of example a situation that has not happened: imagine that HB would've logged in quickly today without completing his HGL duties/tasks/match organizing, and I wouldn't have logged in since 23rd. I do not doubt what LA-LennuK. said, but "technically" it could become word vs. word (if HB denies it's his fault match isn't organized).

So in here we face a dilemma: will the opposing manager (in this case LA-LennuK.) "tolerate" the possible later acceptance of the match, and therefore shorter time to set up lineups for the match? Or does he require "standard" match organizing window to be followed, as stated in HGL rules? If he does require standards/rules to be followed in this (or forthcoming) case(s), how is thar proven? And what kind of standards should there be in place for such situations - would it be required for manager to send forum message after match organizing deadline has passed, if he concludes that his opponent hasn't accepted match offer in required time for instance, and would it automatically cause a forfeit loss? Again, there is no intention to make this "a screenshot league" (proving). And, as also mentioned, if something requires my presence in BB at the very exact time each and every week, I try to avoid such scenario/way to handle things.

From: Wagner

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Date: 6/25/2026 6:52:54 AM
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About HGL-PL participation-situation:

As I said, 8 additional teams were being informed of HGL-PL. In addition of 2 already committed teams (San Fernando VR and Tassie Devils):
- 1 team (M.L.S REICH) have at least initially confirmed their willingness to participate; I assume/understood they still want to read through some HGL posts to confirm that participating to them would suit them, but to me it currently seems more likely than not, that they're going to participate.
- 1 other team has confirmed their participation, borteam from Italy

- 4 teams out of 8 have confirmed they will not participate to this HGL-PL

- 2 teams have still not replied to me on that question.

So it's going pretty much the way I was expecting, in terms of a communication and "scoring rate" - almost never all teams will even respond to you, if the group is big enough. In this case though, if I'll/I'd still keep the application period to HGL-PL open for a short while, I might be proven wrong and who knows if even two remaining managers would reply.


Last edited by Wagner at 6/25/2026 8:03:59 PM

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