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Good win Joe. You did well, too bad it didn't connect !

TIE deals are the bane of NT management, and I never proposed one. It puts the pressure on the player receiving the offer, whereas he hadn't asked for anything. I'm absolutely OK for breaking a received TIE offer, while I frown at managers breaking TIE offers they propose, that's indeed very poor sportsmanship.

You did your best you the team and it's GS at hand, and that's quite a good result you managed finishing away from England and TIE with Hungary.

I also respect you giving 100 % against Hungary, that's too bad for them and I would also have had them get through instead of Portugal, especially after that matter, but you played to the end faithful to Belgium and that's what matters.

Nice job !

Sadly, my NT players almost never saw play, I hope this will get better :(

I really hope we have some nice insiders coming around :s

I would have prefered Hungary instead of Portugal in second round, but I have been honest enough to play seriously the last game.

Awsome, so your a honest man after all...lol

I was previous NT of Portugal for 6 seasons, and I was aware of this "backstab", but still didn't comment much, since the result was not bad still. Now after your comments, I felt I needed to talk for a bit, cause it isnt normal that your looking proud of your actions.

Portugal is favorite in normal conditions, considering this 2 NT's at this moment...that means we can't propose TIE?! We still knew Belgium is a really strong team, and we didn't want to loose enthusiasm, so we proposed it. If you don't like it, say no...you can still play TIE if you want, or if you fell all that "pressure" as some people talked, just don't answer and its all good.

Now...telling you agree, and than going back on your word?! You could have easily won that game in my opinion with more enthusiasm, and if that happened, I would felt sick of your Nation, because of your action...just saying.

Not here to start something, just giving my opinion on TIE's and on people who betray them. And since every NT coach does it, I bet others agree with this.

Good luck for the rest of the season ;)


Last edited by Melo9 at 2/27/2018 7:30:58 PM

I don't know all the whereabouts of the thing, but basically a TIE deal is putting a lot of pressure on the side receiving it.

You're always losing when you get one : say yes and your TS management is locked (and you're probably to lose a game). Say no and you're up against at least normal - say nothing is basically "it's no but I can't tell", that's what most people offering TIE deals don't seem to understand : not answering is ALREADY an answer.

Suppose I'm managing a weak team and I'm planning to ambush a stronger nation bound to TIE their game against me. Then a TIE deal comes in : whether I betray my answer, or I'm screwed. Only negative outcomes from my point of view.

Seeing that Portugal won by quite a margin despite playing with lower enthusiasm and a successful belgian GDP, this TIE proposal was completely unnecessary, your side is way stronger than ours. Thus, proposing a TIE when you're by far the better team seems like you're just making sure that you can't be ambushed. After all, maybe you did the same to England, Turkey and Hungary, who knows ? You would be making sure every possible threat TIEs you or they're traitors, how convenient TIE deals are.

It really seems you to want to eat your cake and have it too.

If Joe had come to you to propose a TIE deal, and then had broken it after you accepted, I'm completely OK that it would have been a particular cheapass move. I would 100 % support you in that case.

You propose a TIE deal you're taking a risk, if you're unwilling to take it just don't ask. In that particular case things couldn't have turned better for you, so what ?

Not here to start something ...

What is your point then ? Game is played, things turned out for the best for Portugal, that's it.

Good luck for the rest of the season.

p.s- Oh and about this "If you refuse I will make sure you lose", don't lie :( its ugly."

It seems it'll be your word against Joe's, so difficult to have a stance on that.

EDIT : My writing seem very aggressive though I don't want to be. I've managed U21 and NT for 4 or 5 mandates (I honestly can't remember anymore) and I have seen countless topics on TIE deals and also received quite a share myself. I've always been against that, making a TIE plan when your schedule is out is one of the toughest tasks of NT/U21 management and should really stay that way.

Last edited by Dartreb at 2/27/2018 7:51:38 PM

Hi guys, I just want to leave here my point of view, mainly after seeing what Joe wrote.

I proposed the Tie, and I said I would play normal but in any moment it was Intended to be a threat. Let's say that I didn't had written the part that I would play normal, it would implied obviously. It's like Dartreb says here:

Say no and you're up against at least normal - say nothing is basically "it's no but I can't tell"

How it could be a threat if even I didn't said "I will play normal" it would be implied?

But what brings me here is the fact that I'm being called a scoundrel and I don't understand why. I'm being called a scoundrel for proposing a Tie. I not even care if Joe kept is word or not, I didn't even think to say anything about it. If you go search all of my post's on the portuguese NT topic you will see that in any moment before Joe's post here I said anything about that so was with some surprise that I was reading this topic and saw Joe calling me a scoundrel.

That's why I am posting this. I don't want deteriorate this topic, that's why this will be my only post here, just want to clarify my point because I don't want bad blood with anyone.

I asked Joe if he was interested in the tie because either of us would have to win the last game, and even after that we would need entusiasm for the next phase right? I'm really sorry if Joe understood that as threat or something, in any moment it was my intention. But if he thought it was a "very unfair" as he said, he could have said that or simply decline it, he even says «He had added that if I refused, he would have played normal, but I'm not sure that it was true.» So if he didn't even think I would play normal either way he could have just declined it right?. Following his idea I would play tie anyway so it would be the same normal vs tie how it was.

But has I said i don't even care if Joe kept his word, as Dartreb says

You propose a TIE deal you're taking a risk, if you're unwilling to take it just don't ask.

and I totally agree. When I proposed the Tie I was willing of the risk and I don't care if Joe kept his word regarding that, but it's hard to come here and see that I'm being called a scoundrel because proposing a Tie.

And that's it. Only wanted to show you my point of view and try to clarify this. I don't want bad blood with anyone. Joe is probably the best Belgium manager of BB, even a former B3 semifinalist and I respect him as I respect everyone in BB.

Good luck to you all in your games.

My writing seem very aggressive though I don't want to be.

Same here, i just want to clarify things hope my post doesn't seem to aggressive.

Greetings to all




Last edited by Jonas at 2/27/2018 9:15:09 PM