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...only means bring back muh LI dominance, and literally nothing more.

I don't know, i think i disagree with this
Cause guards will probably still have just as much or more IS than bigs (if we were to lower the cost of IS on them)
However you might be able to create some big builds that are pretty effective in interior tactics, giving you the option to make the guards more guards since you have bigs that can attack on inside tactics

If on players such as (48272639) or (49872871) you could fit a +2 IS and +1 ID for example
You'd still have guards that have higher IS, DR and JS, hence the LI Dominance wouldn't return... but you might be able to win with a roster that has Guards that play as guards since you can specialize them into shooters or passers (and lowering the cost of PA would help too)
Big that play as bigs

Instead of having Manute Bol and Dikembe Mutombo as you're starting PG and SG

How about radically raising the level of guards' salaries on account of their IS? This should most certainly do the trick if the underlying problem to be solved is guards being too effective at 4 and 5.

For example i reckon this would create a new problems, for the last x seasons the game as had modification to favour exterior tactics and limit interior ones, doing so would eliminate interior offenses and the game would basically become RG/Motion dominant

Meta means a "strategy" that most of the community considers to be the most optimal way to win... and since having a 32 with shot blocking bigs is just cheap way to build strong team ahhaha that makes it meta ahah

32 with shot blocking bigs aren't meta, they're just the Most Effective Tactic Available ahah

How about removing the 3-2 zone?

I'm not sure if BB can separate mid-range shots and three-pointers, nor do I know if we have a way to control the ratio of mid-range to three-point attempts.
It seems like creating a new 3-2 zone might be challenging.

Why not just use the 1-3-1 zone instead?
At least its inside defense is weaker than the 3-2 zone, and it sacrifices rebounding.
I guess this should be more balanced than the current system.


Remark: Or, how about renaming the 3-2 zone and making both perimeter defense and inside defense neutral, similar to man-to-man, effectively turning it into a zone-based version of man-to-man?

Last edited by little Guest at 1/7/2025 3:46:59 AM

How about removing the 3-2 zone?

I'd also suggest removing the basket from basketball and just have guys run around with a ball.

All jokes aside, I'd prefer the idea of having even more defensive options like in the real game (Triangle-and-2, Square or Diamond variants of Box-and-1, half court pressing or flashing etc). Nonetheless, with each tactic having glaring weaknesses (GL using Triangle and 2 vs a good outside scoring team, and baseline cuts and drives vs a 3-2, low post to high post cuts and wing/corner 3's threat vs a 2-3 zone...).

Like how in offense, Passing becomes an even more important skill for tactics like Princeton, the game engine needs some potential revamping concerning how defensive values or defensive tactics deal with Driving, Shooting, Passing (Positioning perhaps as well). Which would give an greater incentive to scout the performances of other peoples games. Should I use an appropriate defense vs a team that seems to drive well to the basket, but shoot poor wide-open outside shots? Should I abstain from going a 2-3 zone because their PF seems to be chucking 3's non stop?)

Obviously, difficult to implement a rather intuitive game through mathematical equations.

I think the BB developers might need to study whether the game engine is balanced in extreme situations, such as when a team is heavily focused on defense or offense.

This is especially true for zone defenses.
For example, when using two inside players who are specialized in defense, the actual defensive improvement (not just the rating) might be different depending on whether it's a 3-2, 1-3-1, a zone defense with ratings similar to man-to-man (if such exists), or a 2-3 zone.

I suggest starting by checking situations with low shot blocking.
See whether the offensive drop caused by inside defense specialization is about the same as the defensive gain it brings.
Otherwise, even after adjusting shot blocking, it might still be powerful to use a 3-2 zone with two defensive-specialist big men who have extremely high inside defense but low shot blocking—meaning the problem isn't really solved.

Funny to read our January discussions about wether 32 zone is meta or not

World Cup and BBB answered this season: everyone plays 32 zone now. This is META and this is becoming a big problem.

Changes are needed

Yes, and perhaps in a similar way that LI was the dominant offensive tactic for so long...

BB is probably still in the process of converting the code base to modernize it, so they probably can't make any changes to the salary system or game engine for now.

Otherwise, I was also thinking that
if the defensive gain caused by inside defense specialization with high SB in 3-2 and 1-3-1 zones is much greater than the offensive drop,
then SB could be gently adjusted depending on the type of zone defense — for example, slightly reducing the chance of a block when using a 3-2 or 1-3-1 zone.

I personally wouldn't like anything to be removed concerning tactics; I would just like to add to them if possible. And if a tactic seems overpowered just look at real life basketball nowadays, everybody is shooting 3 points, classic post-up centers have mostly died out. So yeah, outside tactics in BB being dominant reflects the real basketball pretty well.