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To be honest, I disagree with a lot of what is said here.

The idea right now might not be perfect. But BB is trying to fix a problem everyone knows exist.
Not that long ago there was a forum post here about one of the better players in BB not being sold or sold for a low amount of money, because his salary was to high. Like Alonso said this problem will also increase further just because we are going to need deeper roster which means that teams with low amount of players with high salary will be penalized. This only further decreases the higher salary players value. Which means that training a player will get less profitable if you want to sell him and make a direct profit on training.

Giving a boost to merchandise sales based on the salary will be some sort of solution for that because basically the net income difference between a player of 150K and 250K will be lower than it was before, which will probably increase the value of a player who has 200K salary. But the same thing can be said for a player of 100K salary for a div3 team over a player of 50K salary. So this could increase the value of a lot of players in turn making training more profitable.
And it makes sense as well, a player like lebron sells more merchandise than a player like kyle kuzma. Yes you could say that that is because of performance not because of his salary but doing that would mean that a player who played in the bb3 and played for a div1 championship multiple times would give back more money than a player who is just as good but is trained from the start by a player who started in div4 which would not be good for game balance.

Changing the salary formula or adding a max salary for example might also help, but are a lot harder to code like they said and this is something that can help as soon as next season and give some sort of a solution.
Just giving teams more money on other ways won't fix that problem in a way it does here.

The fatique adjustment which will be implemented next season will discourage players to get 3 stars while the money adjustment will encourage players to buy 1 or 2.

What it does is:
1. Increases the value for higher salary players, not just 250K salary players but what is seen as high salary player on every level.
2. increase profitablilty on training high level players
3. In combination with the fatigue adjustment the game will be more balanced.

I think it's a great idea, maybe it's not perfect but it will help.
I've also seen people saying the percentage should be higer. that could be better, or that it should be the highest 2 players giving a 15-10% boost of their salary. Which could potentially be better but I would say start with 1 player of 15% see how it goes next season and adjust the season after.

Agree...

There were some good old suggestions that Devs can consider... That the cost of Training could also be added to the Fan Survey... It could be also good if they'd make another section there that is directly relative to the cost of Training Facilities, Staffs and the Training Exemptions...

another source of incentive idea:

on of the Browser Managerial games I have played (goal Line Blitz 2) have a system that they can choose one of their Trainees to enter a pool of Rosters that will be divided into teams grouping of the players based on age and preferred possitions... and with a daily scheduled time those will automatically play a game against another... Play-by-play results are viewable, and some player incentives are awarded based on the player's performance... Probably if Devs can also implement this system... Daily Login with a goal of entering their Trainee into these "daily challenges" with little incentives... will both be positive for both the Managers and buzzerbeater site too from advertisements...

incentive calculation could be ((positive Rating * 100)*x) where x is a multiplier based on age or group bracket...

This is one thing I'd like to understand more.

Personally, I don't see low transfer prices on high salary players as a problem. That number alone does not reflect the total value of the player.

I see what you mean. And I agree with that somewhat. I get why people aren't bidding on players like that as I am not doing it myself. There are probably some cases when like you said some players are still valuable but usually it's not the case.
And I see why and it are reasonable economic decisions. But like you already said, training a player costs money even if you don't take into account the players salaray it's an easy 50K a week for the first to seasons and 25k+ a week after that. And that is cheap while not including the buildings (because you probably don't NEED them to build a good player to sell).
Some managers want to train players to make a profit so they can build on there savings which in the future they can use to make a contender. And I think that a change like this one were the players salary gives back a percentage of money will help manager to turn a profit on their trainees easier. Especially when they train them for longer and max them out.

Not going to work because completely unfair. Those in lower leagues shouldn't be looking to add expensive players. This means that higher league teams basically have more merchandise for free. And encourages more NT farms with 250k player in D4/5.

Last edited by DPS at 06/20/2022 20:21:50

1. The lower leaguers do have a choice of Promoting... Their Teams' performances will be rewarded + the recently announced improvement for Promotion Incentives will come in handy... They'd just need to invest for that.

2. There already are some good suggestions here sir how to further improve some Merchandise Bonus here... If you also have some idea how to solve the problem you foresee... you are very much welcome to drop them...

3. There is also an option of adding Incentives based on Team's Performance or Player's performance and for Training a Player long term... So that the Money Spent for improving our teams will have a direct impact to our Economy...

While the new trainers and new infrastructure tools create a lot of fun and interest in the game and in training,
it become the root cause of many problems
1. The salary formula is exponential and as such the super stars salaries become too much to handle
2. Almost no one want to have super starts on his team and their pricing become absurd
3. The trainees protential is exhausted too soon
4. Team roaster become too short.
5. The Competitiveness dissappered
6. Tanking become the right starategy

I believe all that can be fixed by single (maybe not trivial) fix, the curve of the exponential slope needs to be refined.
It should fix all the issues above and generate huge excitment with super starts potential to reach TSP of 170 and more !

I think that the original idea of BBs when they designed this game was training should be profitable and better training should be more profitable (please tell me if I am wrong). I can explain how it is almost impossible to make money if you are training top class players.

I made a research for the greek community (I want to write a guide) about costs of each trainer level. I found out that an optimal weekly cost for lvl6 trainer is 65.000$ (buying price + total salaries / total weeks)! If you draft a 18yo HoF and you want to build a top class player you need more than 11 seasons of training. That means that you have to pay more than 10.000.000$ just for the trainer. If you use lvl2 gym and lvl1 training court you have to pay more than 2.300.000$ for weekly costs for maintenance plus 650.000$ to build them (half of the invested funds will be reimbursed when infrustructures are downgraded)! Total cost ~13.000.000$!

Lets say that you are training 3 players, just to balance the training cost, you have to sell each trainee for ~4.350.000$ (without counting the cost of buying these players).

Does anybody think that is possible to make a good profit that way? I am pretty sure the answer is "no". Does anybody think that is possible to sell 3 trainees over 5.000.000$ just to have a small profit? And please, dont talk about lvl7 trainer...

So, you (BBs) have something to do, to make training a top class player profitable (if this is your intension)! Give us more merchandise income for our most expensive player is (maybe) just a good start, but this is not enough. This will increase a little bit the value of these players but not enough to make training them really profitable.

Obviously, the main problem is that training is too expensive! IMO BB should encourage us to build as much as better players, not punnish us (economically). If BBs agree with that, it would be good to know, so we can make some suggestions. Otherwise, just tell me to shut up!