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Ah, I think that must explain why some managers are too stubborn and insist on training their driving to legendary. I guess it's just not common knowledge

Yes, having your DR too high and OD too low will cause your DR to train slower the more you train it. Negative elastics exist. However the relation isn't exactly that straightforward. If I'm not wrong, some skills like passing do not have negative elastic effects on other skills despite being positively affected by driving. I think you should be able to check it via coach parrot.

If you train a skill that's much higher than other skills, it will get slowed down by the elastic effect. (Source: (144856.38). Note that it's an old source, don't remember if there were more that talked about the negative effect but I thought it was commonly accepted. Don't know if it was ever proven.

Wow … completely new information for me.

Doesn‘t sound unlikely.

I haven't experienced it either, but I do wonder where the idea came from that it does exist. Or maybe it's something that should work but doesn't?

You don't have to sell it to me ;) I was just wondering how these opposing ideas come to live, taking into account that this game has (had) multiple aspects that do not actually work as designed/described.

If there's a negative elastic effect, creating aspiration would have no interest because the positive effect would be canceled by the negative one. But it's a fact that training, for example, 1on1 until 20 DR, then OD until 20 is much better than training both skills at the same time.

You're looking at the wrong place. Basically negative elastic effects work like this: if you have two players: 16 DR and 12 OD and 16 DR and 3 OD, the first player will pop to 17 DR faster, because the DR-OD gap isn't as far as the latter. Meanwhile the latter will have much faster OD training compared to the former.

I agree that it is a fact that OD trains faster when you hit 20 DR before training OD. But are you sure that you aren't training DR at a slower pace?

I guess to answer this we might have to run coach parrot and see which hits 20 DR 20 OD at an earlier pace.

That sir, might not be a fact.

I just got curious and just ran some simulations with coach parrot.

Two players with skills all at 1, 6'0".

First player goes with a regime which trains his DR to have 6 points above OD, then train OD for 1 pop, and continue for 1 more pop. So throughout the entire regime, the player's DR and OD difference will be 5-6 levels.

Second player goes DR all the way to 20, and then OD all the way.

Based on the first training regime, to hit DR 20, his OD would have to reach 14. To achieve this point, if that kid started training today as a 18 year old (season 61 week 12), he would hit the point at season 69, week 9.

If we train DR all the way, he would hit 20 DR at season 68 week 4. At season 69 week 9, his OD is just 11. So that's 3 whole levels slower. He will only hit 14 OD on Season 70 week 8, which is almost 1 full season slower.

To make things more interesting, I adjusted the trainer level to 7 (by default coach parrot uses level 4). Your regime only hits that mark at season 69 week 1, while the first regime reaches that mark at Season 68 week 4. So even though the gap is smaller, it is still a good 11 weeks slower.

I don't know what other sources you have which can objectively back up your claims, but feel free to share them.

I guess to answer this we might have to run coach parrot and see which hits 20 DR 20 OD at an earlier pace.

That would be based on the assumption that Coach Parrot has the right formulae for the extreme, when you train the top skill. I know from experience that it has not.

The general formulae is right, but if you train OD with no Dr and Handling you will train from 17OD to 18OD a lot (at least twice) faster than the given numbers.

Last edited by boule at 8/2/2023 3:24:19 PM