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Nope, his height wouldn't stop me. Here my reason:
He is so tall that his inside training will be pretty fast. So he will cap him early and sit on an expensive player without good B-skills. So take the time, train his OD to 10 or so.

On a pure defense big I don't want DR. Haek had no 1on1 training and ended up with DR 11 which was to high. He took too many shots.

What do you mean with "he will get plenty from ID"? I don't get this.

The fast training which you discribe is from ID, or? I don't Issue your data. I am talking about another way of training.
SB training gives sub training to ID and I think RB (this I have to look up in my data). RB gives sub training to ID.
I take this training for a balanced plan. SB-RB-ID and repeat. With this I can control the three skills better and hold them on the same level or in the ratio which I want. Maybe it is not the fastest way but sometimes more efficient. The ratio of ID and SB is an important factor for such bigs. ID>SB has another effect on the plays than SB>ID.

With the change of the GE this season, I had to rework my plan for Vidma. This costs me around one season but I will still reach the wished skillset.

This guy is 224cm high and OD will be a pain. I trained already some bigs/players like you intend to. Also currently I build one in Utopia (Vidma).
My training plan is a different one than most of the other managers post.

I always start with SB. Train it until you receive an up. Go to RB and train it until an up. Than ID. Most of the time, you will need only one more week ID Training thanks to the subtraining. Between 13 and 16 you have to stop and switch to OD. Push it until your target (trains ID too). Than ttain his passing and as the last push, go back to SB/RB/ID. Finish him inside.

But when you say to start with SB and RB and train them only until an up .... '' an up "...do you mean just one level more than the starting one?
I honestly don't understant the logic of this thing.

However it doesn't seem to me that apart from this starting whit a add level in SB and Rb, your plan is too different from what I thought it would be.

My principal doubt is SB and then ID or viceversa. In Italian forum many managers write that id is very driven by sb but not exactly how much, also because sb is an untrained skill and therefore there is not much data available.

On Coach Parrot SB is more ID-driven than the other way around, but coach parrot is not the bible.

Chapter DR......obviously I would like my player to have as little dr as possible, because dr helps him to take more shots .... but while doing all the possible training simulations I saw that there is no salvation. If you train HN, even if you start from low DR level (like my player, whom I looked for with very low is and dr obviously), hn will pull dr up to almost equal his level.

Last edited by Antraxx83 at 01/24/2022 06:10:08

@Antraxx83
I have a question for you, why did you specifically decided on a defensive big? He can be huge thing for you, the star of your team, already starting from next season, if you train normally, with IS ID REB. His salary as SB ID REB player, will be high compare to your league, so your player will have the highest salary regardless of how you build it. Just that with IS, he will be your best offensive player, and also your best defensive player in the paint while with SB ID REB setup, your highest paid player will be completely useless on this side of the court.

Simple reason.

first of all it's a long term project, I am not interested in competitiveness next season.

second ..... i want to have fun with my utopian team, and i think players with this profile can give me more tactical variety than others (3-2, box and one inside, etc).

To my knowledge, if the goal is to keep the IS as low as possible, then you should train SB first and then ID. It is slower but this way there will be less weeks of ID training which will also train IS a bit while SB training doesn't.

If you just want faster training, ID first and then SB would be the better order. Depends what the goal is.

Okay, now I get your point. ID doesn't give the same effect as DR.

SB-RB-ID isn't the fastest way, there are other ways. For controlling the inside skills of the defense setup it is really good. Everything has its benefits and weaknesses.

Because the shot blocking training has the best increase of all inside skills.

I have an increase table that says in total:
- ID +0.74 overall
- SB +0.98 overall
- rbd +0.61 overall
- IS +0.74 overall

I don't know if those numbers are true or not and they are old. That was befoire the new trainers etc.

I also understand your intention too now, you don't want to train ID becaue it raises IS. Fair point.
With that being said, why do you include ID in your cycle? wouldn't be more efficient to train SB and RB as much as possible before ID trainings, in order to get as least IS as possible?

Because of two reasons:
1) game engine. If I train only SB and RB my C will be regarded as a blank spot on the defense. The offense will run most of the games against him, he will try to block almost every shot and because of this high amount of defended shots he will end up with more fouls. This will lead to the risk of missing out of 48 minutes.
If I keep it even, the possibilty for foul trouble will be decreased. Training and games are a process. If I change one aspect, it will trigger other points in the process line.

2) Let's play it through with numbers. SB 8 is trained until 9. RB and ID get sub. RB is trained until 9, ID gets sub. ID is trained until 9. Now you end up with 9,x in ID. In the next circle for 10, ID will lost likely go to 10 during the RB training. So you can skip ID and switch back to SB.

From my experience with my bigs, 1) and 2) combined bring not the best training result, but contribute more to a well rounded team.


This was Haek:
Js 6 - Jr 7
OD 18 - HA 15
DR 12 - PA 16
IS 6 - ID 18
RB 9 - SB 19

I never trained RB, IS and 1on1. As you can see, there were almost no ups in IS, some in RB and unfortunately quite a lot in DR.